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Old July 4th, 2002, 05:51 AM   #1
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Cool PAWARAT

Anybody out there who can recall the origin, triumphs and eventual break-up of this formidable group of sabungeros in the 80's (or is it 90's?).
I came to know of this group's exploits by word of mouth. Can somebody fill us up?
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Old July 4th, 2002, 01:08 PM   #2
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The PAWARAT team/group was composed of four people ; Masongsong, Decolongon, Lim and Guanco. These four came from the province of Negros Occidental. Sometimes, their entry ,aside from PAWARAT, is their initial which is MDLG. This team/group garnered a couple of championships in the mid-80's to early 90's, most of them in Bacolod,Iloilo some in Cebu and nearby provinces. The two members that i personally know is Jem Guanco and Joe Lim as they just lived in the town where i was born and raised. As far as i know, the best fowl of the group that was used were Guanco's breed. Last but not least was their official gaffers; the late Paping who popularized the malaysian type of knife and George that lives also in my home town and their handlers Baloy and Esperidion.

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Old July 5th, 2002, 02:11 PM   #3
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hi guys, oneof the handler of pawarat, esperidion is the handler of bugok ramirez of lambunao iloilo and so far i heard that they are very consistent and winning most of the time. i saw him handling his cocks live during candelaria and the way he handles really was like a dream to lme and so far he is in one of my wish list as handler. maybe in the future i can have him as partner and handler just to get hold of his talent. during the last candelaria derby they tried to hide their 2 entries and i think they were owned by decolongon and guanco and unluckily they were not able to perform and were disqualified. i saw esperidion preparing his next fight and it was like 5 am and he was walking his cock under the am sky maybe to get some dew and his cock was healed already . he was just watching his cock not to eat grass. i think this was his way of limbering and waking up his cock and his cock won convincingly. thanks and keep on cocking. take care
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Old July 5th, 2002, 02:59 PM   #4
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I still remember Esperidion as a little kid and feeding in Gem Guanco's farm in Hinigaran. Those were the old days when i'm still in the top of that business. hahaha. Parang kailan lang yon.Time really flies.

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Old July 6th, 2002, 08:50 AM   #5
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No one is old in cocking.. Pag may edad na ginagawang "brood cock " di ba ? Or pang catch cock.. LOL !! Joke only..

Kidding aside, we , newbies got to learn more from the wisdom of the aged !! Techniques not found in books or new technologies but just can acquire through experience..

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Old July 6th, 2002, 04:22 PM   #6
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VBalu,, This pic was taken 3 months ago. Do i look like a catchcock or a broodcock. I guess, there's still a long way to go. I'm the one wearing the white hat. hehehe.
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Old July 8th, 2002, 07:01 PM   #7
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during the first year na lumabas ang PAWARAT entry kinakalaban ko dahil kilala at kaibigan ko ang mga katapat. Champion sa Candelaria ang pawarat- noong pumunta ako ng Bacolod doon ko nalaman na ang mga inahen pala ng pinakamagandang cross ay full sister ng mga brood hen ko(lola ng mga crosses ko), Sinamahan ko the next year-champion ulit.
PAWARAT was indeed a piece of history in sabong. I can still remember sticking my eyes on Espiridion...oh! guys he is such a professional handler-may kaibigan ako na kahit anong ginagawa ni espiridion ginagaya n'ya pati posistion kung mag limber.
Performance? hangang ngayon wala pa akong nakitang performance na ganoon kahit sa WSD.

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Old July 10th, 2002, 10:22 PM   #8
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Thanks for the Pawarat input Brothers.

I am a second generation afficionado of the sport. I had been more involved in the betting side of the sport until I got my first fowl.

I bought it during the early 90's from Danny Alvior a former officemate who raises his cocks in Talisay, Negros. Danny told me that his breed lines came from Carding Masongsong of Pawarat fame.

Needless to say, my first cock became a ganador... and I went back for more... and more.

Cheers. Sa meron, sa ,meron!
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Old July 11th, 2002, 01:01 AM   #9
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I was still there in Iloilo City when Pawarat became back2back champions. I think the late Paping was a big factor in their championship record in the Candelaria and I do feel his name is worth mentioning along with the owners and the handler Espiridion.
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Old July 11th, 2002, 01:39 AM   #10
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I absolutely agree to that pareng pinolin dahil kahit naka dapa na may pang patay pa rin na palo. kung hindi magaling ang pagka tari n'yan hindi na maka sugat dahil gumagalaw na ang tari kung sumasayad sa lupa.

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Old July 12th, 2005, 10:48 PM   #11
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:59 PM   #12
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nakakaINSPIRE naman na mga testimonials!!!
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Old July 13th, 2005, 02:24 AM   #13
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Totoo ba na kong 5cock ang sasalihan nila ay 15cock ang dala nila na pareho ng timbang sa original na entry nila...iba nga lang ang kulay....

let say, malas ang greys! nagkataon naman na mostly ang entry nila ay greys...papasukan daw nila ito ng reds YL and WL or kahit anong kulay na sweti nong gabing iyon... wala namang daya sa manok kasi same timbang pa rin...pa-bwenas lang...


totoo kaya?

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Old December 10th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #14
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nice info
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Old December 10th, 2006, 09:45 AM   #15
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Nice. Where's Espiridion Now?
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Old December 10th, 2006, 01:49 PM   #16
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Re: PAWARAT

espe the only handler who won the CANDELARIA 3x a record that might never be broken ever...
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Old December 10th, 2006, 03:11 PM   #17
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Re: PAWARAT

I think esperidion is still with the Ramirez bros. He has been there in Davao handling the entry of Oyok and Bugok Ramirez every Araw ng Davao derby.
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Old December 11th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #18
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Re: PAWARAT

There is a possibility that Esperidion might go back to Jem Guanco's stable sooner or later. Was with Jem a couple of times just last October but 4got to mention about Esperidion and his plan to revive his breeding farm which I heard from reliable sources in our town of Hinigaran, Neg. Occ.

Last heard of Esperidion that their entry won solo in the Candelaria 2006 and presently handling the farm of Bugok Ramirez or the brother? Met him last May 2005 during 3 cock derby of JEG at Paticui, Hinigaran and we tangled in our second fights.. which luckily I won. He's a quite and simple guy..kung di lasing...hehehe. Incidentally, during that time his younger brother Edgar was our handler/pitter in derbies. Yon pala di magkabati ang magkapatid! nyahaha..

I presume the winning the bloodline of PAWARAT team (or Jem's only?) were Democrats! Not sure about it.

Had also a long chat with Jorge Sibala (one of their trusted gaffer) last Apr 05 during a fiesta derby in Hinigaran. We came across with the PAWARAT stories...and man..he's garbling with words after bottles of beer.. and I learnt some secrets from him...hehe. Never thought that at that time they were already using something that I've just heard today in sabong.

Jem Guanco and Joe Lim were both hard gamblers (more of Joe I think) during those days. Balita ko, the 2nd time they won the Candelaria derby, dumaan pa sila sa casino at naubos ang pinanalong premyo! haha.. Weird ain't it? Character wise, both are friendly and approachable!

Well..we could only hope that the PAWARAT name will shine again in the days to come. Watch 'em out!
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Old December 12th, 2006, 12:07 AM   #19
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esperidion...is espired na...
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Old December 12th, 2006, 05:01 AM   #20
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Espe is with Maninoy Jim G. start to breed again now. I was with the group.. when they have a grandslam win in the Candelaria in the 80"s. Espe was with Nonoy Maloto when they win the 97' candelaria and move to the Ramirez in Lambunao..So far where going to see each other in the candelaria'07.. THE" MLGD PAWARAT" the unfogetable team.
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Old December 13th, 2006, 10:41 AM   #21
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It's good to look back and remninisce those good olden days. Yes I admire the PAWARAT group, they became champions not because of luck but really hard earned, they were also matched against the bigwigs of those olden times.
In those olden times, only the "Haves" have the best quality chickens, and there were not that many.
Nowadays, so many can afford to send live breeding materials, so many learn how to prepare and point their roosters taking away those advantages from the "HAVES
Even a "have not" like me and many of us now have good, selected breeding materials that is why winning nowadays is really a hard earned victory.
What I mean is, even if PAWARAT regroups, they will meet tougher oppositions than when they did during those years of their domination in the Visayas islands.
I look forward to the futurre when PAWARAT again will be on the ranks of, Raffy, Blue Blade, Clear Creek, PA's Complexor and other big name cockers , as the yardstick of how good our backyard breeding is.
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Old December 13th, 2006, 02:55 PM   #22
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nong pino,
malabo na ciguro magbuo ulit ang MDLG PAWARAT. si joe lim nag lie low na sa sabong. nandito sya ngayon sa states kasama ang buong pamilya. when i was still in grade 6 nakasama ko sila sa ARENA DE SILaY AT LAHAT NG DEHADO PINAPALARGAHAN NI JOE LIM. OPEN DIN ANG ALAK NILA KAY NATO LACSON. KASO MINALAS SYA SA CASINO.HUHUHU
naalala ko pa ung katropa nila na taga davao. si CRISPIN POSADAS. inutusan ng isang tao na nasa bleacher na bumili ng beer.hehehe sumunod naman at nagulat na lang ung umutos ng pinalargahan ni crispin ung dehado. hehehe

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Old December 14th, 2006, 09:11 PM   #23
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I also remember Crispin nagamaskada pa nag pamangkot na ang sparrow unit for ramsam kung ang tag iya sang balay *** sa sulod (Davao). And sabat ni Crispin ay wala diri nagbagasyon sa ILOILO.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 05:21 AM   #24
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When i was in elementary i heared that group MDLG PAWARAT and i idolized that entry, how many years ago BOMBO radyo covered the Candelaria derby and me and my brothers bet each other while listening to it, when the name PAWARAT mentioned then nobody bet the opponent.hehehe.. tiyo modi decolongon is a friend of my father also...

nice info mga kasabong!!! viva sabungeros !!!
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Old December 15th, 2006, 05:29 AM   #25
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bogoy,
tama ka! kaso noong tinanong ng rebelde ung isang helper ni crispin sinabi raw ng helper na si boss ung kausap nyo.bwahahahahaha kaya hinagis nya raw ung kinakain nyang saging sa helper.. after ng incident sa ARENA DE SILAY bumalik ulit si crispin sa negros naka long sleeve na at nakasuot ng malalaking alahas.hahahahhaha
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ano na ang balita sa PAWARAT Team? ang bagong name ang team nila ngayon? sino2x na ang membro nila. kumusta naman ang winning records nila sa ngayon?
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kinsa man ang nakabalo kung unsa na nga name ang gipuli sa PAWARAT? info mga bais.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #28
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up lang natin. baloy is one of the handler of pawarat group
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I was still there in Iloilo City when Pawarat became back2back champions. I think the late Paping was a big factor in their championship record in the Candelaria and I do feel his name is worth mentioning along with the owners and the handler Espiridion.
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di ba isa ka rin sa bumobuo ng pawarat team noon,sultan pinolim ??
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Congratulation Maning and Kulit for being a co-champeon. I thought no more Sabong in the sate of Virginia. By the wa Maning, what's your secret .for maintaining a young look without the Belo's formula? ha ha ha..
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