[ParaTex70]

If you want to purchase reasonably priced and quality fowls,you may try to visit Maharlika slasher fowls owned by Ephraim "Totoy" Dela Cruz publisher/editor of Pinoy Sabungero Magazine,the selling station is located at 36 Pasacola St.,Novaliches,Qc.,Mla. Tel.# 419-7658.you see,Totoy has had,almost the famous signature breeds from top caliber cockers both here in our country and abroad,he has direct connections from these breeders and most are his friends,whenever he visits famous cockers on their farm to conduct interviews for his magazine,from which the breeder's fowl will be featured,the man,doesnt charge any fee from these big time cockers,thats why as a token of gratitude and courtesy big time cockers give their best fowl to him.I first learned about this person thru my friend almost ten years ago and that was also my first time to acquire fowls from Totoy.Unlike other cockers Totoy is a " real gentleman cocker" " di kaniya gugulangan sa usapang manok imbes tutulungan ka pa niya, lalo na kung baguhan ka pa sa larangan ng sabong" if you are an oriental fanatic cocker you should visit this person he has quality oriental fowls specially those materials that he acquired from the late Monching Mitra,yes he is a close friend of the latter.Once i sent an article to him about fowls that i personally wrote,without any hesitations he published my article on his magazine he really made me proud of that,almost two years ago i gave him genuine Parawakan fowl,he went in our province to get the fowl,and to my surprise he brought along a pure Karachi Hatch hen that originally came from Mr.Eddie Araneta,yes he gave me a hen worth 8,000 pesos for free! and as a small time cocker i would not forget that event.Im sharing this unsolicited advice to my fellow small time cockers who cannot afford to purchase expensive and quality fowls,likewise iam not connected to the operation of Maharlika Farm,i did write this piece to attest my satisfaction as a customer to the abovementioned Farm and for discovering a true gentleman cocker.If ever u'll gonna pay him a visit please do tell him that i made a simple article about him and my name is James Marquez of Pampanga,thanks and regards to all cockers of the world!

[Kidd Sentencia]

Sounds good, Paratex...capping it with your real name on the bottom made it more than an honest to goodness praise to true gentleman cocker, Totoy Dela Cruz.

Cheers!
Kidd

Its Good to here a person who is satisfied with a purchash.There are alot of breeders with alot of different prices.
What would be a good price (other than for free) for
1 a Stag
2 A Bull stag
3 A Cock
Both pure and crossed
I just want to see opionions
Cheers
Matt

....impressive...

[quote]Originally posted by ParaTex70:
[b]If you want to purchase reasonably priced and quality fowls,you may try to visit Maharlika slasher fowls owned by Ephraim "Totoy" Dela Cruz publisher/editor of Pinoy Sabungero Magazine,the selling station is located at 36 Pasacola St.,Novaliches,Qc.,Mla. Tel.# 419-7658.you see,Totoy has had,almost the famous signature breeds from top caliber cockers both here in our country and abroad,he has direct connections from these breeders and most are his friends,whenever he visits famous cockers on their farm to conduct interviews for his magazine,from which the breeder's fowl will be featured,the man,doesnt charge any fee from these big time cockers,thats why as a token of gratitude and courtesy big time cockers give their best fowl to him.I first learned about this person thru my friend almost ten years ago and that was also my first time to acquire fowls from Totoy.Unlike other cockers Totoy is a " real gentleman cocker" " di kaniya gugulangan sa usapang manok imbes tutulungan ka pa niya, lalo na kung baguhan ka pa sa larangan ng sabong


pare,
huwag ka namang mambola dito, eh hindi pa nga naging kampeon sa world slasher 'yang kaibigan mo nagsalestalk ka na ng kung ano-ano. naipublished lang niya yong article mo bilib na bilib ka na sa kanya. yung totoo lang sana pare.
eeegets

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[Draven51501]

Originally posted by ParaTex70:
"di kaniya gugulangan sa usapang manok imbes tutulungan ka pa niya, lalo na kung baguhan ka pa sa larangan ng sabong"

ParaTex70,

you sounded so much like Totoy in his articles, are you sure you are not Totoy himself?

anyway, i don't think that TOTOY DELA CRUZ is a real gentleman cocker AT ALL as you said. just try to read some of his articles, he bashed names of people left and right just because hindi siya makasakay sa mga ito or baka naman hindi siya pinagbigyan ng interview or maybe even hindi siya binigyan ng manok. it was not fair to those names he stained just because he didn't get his way with them. it is also unfair that these people cannot get their side of the story. why unfair?, you still might ask....
HE IS AN EDITOR OF A COCKING MAGAZINE THAT HAS ALL THE MEANS TO DESTROY A PERSON, FOR GOODNESS' SAKE!!!

that is why sabong.com.ph is so great to us because then we could hear both sides of the story. the rumors would then turn into facts like TD's post about a gamefarm. i always have doubts about how those Democrats looked in a Filipino cocking magazine!! now we all know why because... THEY'RE NOT REAL DEMOCRATS!!!

MABUHAY ANG SA SABONG.COM.PH!!!!!

MABUHAY ANG "FILIPINAS"!!!! .........sound familiar??? FEACE!!! este PEACE pala.. [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by Draven51501 (edited 09-30-2001).]

[Pinolim]

I know anybody who posts is entitled to his/her opinion and becomes a fair game if his/her opinion becomes out of rhyme or tone.
I just wish we can make our comments or critique a little bit more constructive, not personal that anybody like me could learn from anybody's experience.
There are 3 sides of a story, this side, your side and a kibitzer's side.
Thanks folks!!!!
Sabung!!!! Sabung!!!! at marami pang Sabung!!




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4got10cocker

Originally posted by Matt Dunne:

Its Good to here a person who is satisfied with a purchash.There are alot of breeders with alot of different prices.
What would be a good price (other than for free) for
1 a Stag
2 A Bull stag
3 A Cock
Both pure and crossed
I just want to see opionions
Cheers
Matt

I also am curious what do you think a reasonable price for first class brood fowl or battle cocks is.I am now retired and we fight full time but have time to raise more than we need and may have some extras in the near future.Thanks for any input on this matter-bondmj007

[ParaTex70]

Originally posted by Draven51501:
ParaTex70,

you sounded so much like Totoy in his articles, are you sure you are not Totoy himself?

anyway, i don't think that TOTOY DELA CRUZ is a real gentleman cocker AT ALL as you said. just try to read some of his articles, he bashed names of people left and right just because hindi siya makasakay sa mga ito or baka naman hindi siya pinagbigyan ng interview or maybe even hindi siya binigyan ng manok. it was not fair to those names he stained just because he didn't get his way with them. it is also unfair that these people cannot get their side of the story. why unfair?, you still might ask....
HE IS AN EDITOR OF A COCKING MAGAZINE THAT HAS ALL THE MEANS TO DESTROY A PERSON, FOR GOODNESS' SAKE!!!

that is why sabong.com.ph is so great to us because then we could hear both sides of the story. the rumors would then turn into facts like TD's post about a gamefarm. i always have doubts about how those Democrats looked in a Filipino cocking magazine!! now we all know why because... THEY'RE NOT REAL DEMOCRATS!!!

MABUHAY ANG SA SABONG.COM.PH!!!!!

MABUHAY ANG "FILIPINAS"!!!! .........sound familiar??? FEACE!!! este PEACE pala.. [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by Draven51501 (edited 09-30-2001).]

BAY,SALAMAT SA OPINION MO AT MABUHAY KAYONG MGA BISAYA!!

[ParaTex70]

[quote]Originally posted by eeegets:
[b]

Originally posted by ParaTex70:
If you want to purchase reasonably priced and quality fowls,you may try to visit Maharlika slasher fowls owned by Ephraim "Totoy" Dela Cruz publisher/editor of Pinoy Sabungero Magazine,the selling station is located at 36 Pasacola St.,Novaliches,Qc.,Mla. Tel.# 419-7658.you see,Totoy has had,almost the famous signature breeds from top caliber cockers both here in our country and abroad,he has direct connections from these breeders and most are his friends,whenever he visits famous cockers on their farm to conduct interviews for his magazine,from which the breeder's fowl will be featured,the man,doesnt charge any fee from these big time cockers,thats why as a token of gratitude and courtesy big time cockers give their best fowl to him.I first learned about this person thru my friend almost ten years ago and that was also my first time to acquire fowls from Totoy.Unlike other cockers Totoy is a " real gentleman cocker" " di kaniya gugulangan sa usapang manok imbes tutulungan ka pa niya, lalo na kung baguhan ka pa sa larangan ng sabong


pare,
huwag ka namang mambola dito, eh hindi pa nga naging kampeon sa world slasher 'yang kaibigan mo nagsalestalk ka na ng kung ano-ano. naipublished lang niya yong article mo bilib na bilib ka na sa kanya. yung totoo lang sana pare.
eeegets

[This message has been edited by eeegets (edited 09-30-2001).]

PARE SALAMAT SA OPINION MO,AT LEAST NAG POST KA NG COMMENT MO YON ANG IMPORTANTE,"ANG SAYA SAYA"!! MABUHAY KA!

[Kharmic]

ParaTex70,

I have a handful of Totoy's magazines and I like reading them. I also like the man.

Generally, Totoy's so helpful not only for beginners but also to non-beginners like me.

Was there or any existing case (court) against Totoy being a slanderer or libeler?

As far as I know, wala naman yata. May alam ba kayo?

Totoy, you don't need to be a World Slasher Champion. Kahit hindi pa ako uma-attend sa seminar mo, sa mga naturuan mo, Ikaw ang Champion!

Peace lang pare, 'wag mo nang patul...

[Draven51501]

Originally posted by Kharmic:
ParaTex70,

I have a handful of Totoy's magazines and I like reading them. I also like the man.

Generally, Totoy's so helpful not only for beginners but also to non-beginners like me.

Was there or any existing case (court) against Totoy being a slanderer or libeler?

As far as I know, wala naman yata. May alam ba kayo?

Totoy, you don't need to be a World Slasher Champion. Kahit hindi pa ako uma-attend sa seminar mo, sa mga naturuan mo, Ikaw ang Champion!

Peace lang pare, 'wag mo nang patul...

kharmic,

if you have a handful of totoy's magazine then you should have read a lot of name trashing that i am talking about. maybe he is helpful to beginners and also non-beginners like you but i won't consider him a true "GENTLEMAN". he has a great magazine. he has good writters that contribute articles and give sound advice like Jobo del Rosario, Emoy and others. and even the so-called "PURIST" who gives his knowledge about bloodlines, i appreciate that but then he would always like to try and fit his products and his birds in the end of his article,which i don't like. the only problem with the magazine is, totoy uses it as his own personal means of communication to smear other people's name which he didn't get along with. how can we now say that this is fair and consider him a "GENTLEMAN"?

my views only. PEACE!


paratex,

TAYONG LAHAT ANG MABUHAY!!! FEACE BE WITH YOU TOO![img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/peace.gif[/img][img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[jlbs72]

Draven,

Matanong lang kita kaibigan, bumili ka na ba ng manok kay totoy at hindi mo nagustuhan ??? o may sinabi na ba siya sa kanyang magazine o siniraan na tao sa kanyang column na hindi naman totoong ganoon.

Mga tatlong magazine pa lang naman ang nababasa, pero parang wala akong matandaan na article na nag-name names siya. puro padaplis hangin lang.

Kung may bad experience ka personally sa tao, siguro pwedeng nagsisinungaling nga si paratex sa sinasabi niya, pero kung wala...

wala lang, nagtatanong lang po...

God Bless.

Originally posted by eeegets:
pare,
huwag ka namang mambola dito, eh hindi pa nga naging kampeon sa world slasher 'yang kaibigan mo nagsalestalk ka na ng kung ano-ano. naipublished lang niya yong article mo bilib na bilib ka na sa kanya. yung totoo lang sana pare.
eeegets

eeegets,

I appreciate your candor regarding this matter. Perhaps we could go into some more detail...

Tonydel

Originally posted by Draven51501:
ParaTex70,
you sounded so much like Totoy in his articles, are you sure you are not Totoy himself?

anyway, i don't think that TOTOY DELA CRUZ is a real gentleman cocker AT ALL as you said. just try to read some of his articles, he bashed names of people left and right just because hindi siya makasakay sa mga ito or baka naman hindi siya pinagbigyan ng interview or maybe even hindi siya binigyan ng manok. it was not fair to those names he stained just because he didn't get his way with them. it is also unfair that these people cannot get their side of the story. why unfair?, you still might ask....
HE IS AN EDITOR OF A COCKING MAGAZINE THAT HAS ALL THE MEANS TO DESTROY A PERSON, FOR GOODNESS' SAKE!!!

that is why sabong.com.ph is so great to us because then we could hear both sides of the story.[/IMG]

Draven,

With the way you posted the post above will make people think that you and Tonydel are one and the same person. [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/smile.gif[/img] I want to commend you for honestly stating your opinion and observation regarding the topic of this thread.

I often read his "kontrapelo" column in his magazine and I fully agree that he bashes people left and right. Sometimes he names them, sometimes he does not. The problem about that is the fact that people he bashes cannot defend themselves on the same wave-length as people cannot respond. There is also another thing, I've noticed, the people that he bashes have not given him fowl previously and the people he praises are those that did. At least, most of them.

TD

[This message has been edited by TonyDel (edited 10-01-2001).]

ParaTex70,

If you had a good experience with Maharlika gamefarm and with Totoy dela Cruz then good for you. I respect your opinion.

However, in my experience, the cheapest breeding stocks available to beginners would be from those breeders who sell reasonably expensive fowl. The likes of Eddie Araneta, Patrick Puno and Francis Lumunsad to mention a few. These people personally befriended and selected breeding stocks from the breeders of their respective lines. Always remember, these people bought or paid-for quality and not begged nor pressure the breeders to give them free dunghill fowl. The performances of the fowls of the three people I mentioned is exemplary without question.

Now, how much do you think these people spent to get good stock? Talking to breeders, going to the breeder’s farm, paying for the select birds and shipping them etc. That is the reason why the P30,000 - P35,000 /breeding trio price is only a fraction of what these people spent in acquiring, developing and maintaining their lines.

Why is it cheaper to buy these quality reasonably expensive fowl?

Because with the quality of these fowls, the beginner won’t have to replace them. They are for keeps. Their quality is something that could start a decent gamefowl operation where a beginner could be competitive in a short period of time.

If a beginner buys from indiscriminate breeders who have mixed-matched brood stocks just because they sell for cheap prices, he will soon find out that it will be more expensive in the long run because the beginner will just replace these inferior cheaply acquired broodstocks after investing valuable time, money and effort.

There is a reason why people could sell cheaply. Maybe they got their broodstocks for free? or maybe they stole them? Or maybe they know that their chickens are inferior? As Tan Bark said in his book;

"The quality of the fowl is not dictated by its price but it is foolish to expect quality fowl at low prices".

No bigtimer, after spending humongous amounts of time, money and effort would give away their best fowl for FREE especially to those people who they know will just make money (gagawing hanap-buhay) the chickens that they will give.

In a Maharlika seminar in 1997, almost ALL seminar attendees acquired fowl (chick crosses) from Maharlika, as I personally know, ALL of them eventually disposed of the said fowl in favor of fowls with better quality that is more reasonably expensive. The so-called “bargain” turned out to be more expensive in the log run.

Buying quality fowls at the start will be cheaper in the long run.

TD

[Kidd Sentencia]

TD, on that seminar in 1997...how many attended? those who acquired fowls, do you know their names, can you name them? Well, you personally know them you said, so I guess it's not bad telling their names in here.

Kidd

[Draven51501]

Originally posted by jlbs72:
Draven,

Matanong lang kita kaibigan, bumili ka na ba ng manok kay totoy at hindi mo nagustuhan ??? o may sinabi na ba siya sa kanyang magazine o siniraan na tao sa kanyang column na hindi naman totoong ganoon.

Mga tatlong magazine pa lang naman ang nababasa, pero parang wala akong matandaan na article na nag-name names siya. puro padaplis hangin lang.

Kung may bad experience ka personally sa tao, siguro pwedeng nagsisinungaling nga si paratex sa sinasabi niya, pero kung wala...

wala lang, nagtatanong lang po...

God Bless.

jibs,

even though he got his stocks from well known breeders and cockers, i didn't and probably won't be acquiring from him or any other breeder sometime soon as i am happy and contented with our stocks now.

reagarding his name bashing, try to read back issues of his magazines and there you will find names of persons that he didn't get along with. you can then decide for yourself if he is truly a "GENTLEMAN". we will never know if what he said is true as i said, we only hear his side of the story. but from watching tv programs and reading other cocking magazines, i don't find those names he mentioned to be bad at all, he may just have had a bad vibe with them or didn't get his way with them but that doesn't mean that those people are that way.

he has a great magazine and i still buy them whenever they're available. the only problem i have with it is his "ABUSE OF POWER". he is supposed to be the editor, he must not make the magazine as his personal scandal sheet.

hope you can find out for yourself if what i'm saying about his name bashing is true or not.

God Bless you and your family too.[img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/smile.gif[/img] peace!

Originally posted by Kidd Sentencia:
TD, on that seminar in 1997...how many attended? those who acquired fowls, do you know their names, can you name them? Well, you personally know them you said, so I guess it's not bad telling their names in here.

When I say "personally know", I mean "personally know". The Maharlika Seminar that I am referring to was batch 1997-A. The "FREE" guest speakers/resource persons were:

Mr. Carol NeSmith of Blackwater Farms
Mr. Francis Lumunsad of KGB Farms

Aside from the two folks I mentioned the other people that were there were:

Totoy dela Cruz
Jobo del Rosario
Sammy Nucom

as the Maharlika staff members who after the seminar subliminally announced that they were selling chicks (lahat ng tinuturo ay mayroon siyang binebenta) and; those people who paid almost a month's worth of salary (racket talaga) for the seminar were;

1)Zaldy Fiel
2)Felix Babalcon
3)Joe Fiel
4)Romy Bautista
5)Bong Sevellano
6)Noli Kalingling
7)Noel de los Reyes
8)Bert Barrios
9)Chris Natino
10)Dennis Barrios
11)Tony Boy Sy
12)Bong Borquin
13)Ric Bautista
14)Doming Ramos
15)Milko Santos
16)Ronald del Rosario
17)George Tolentino
18)Dondon Dimalig
19)Tito Purisima
20)Jeth dela Cruz

Please, feel free to confirm the names with Totoy dela Cruz.

Majority bought fowl from Maharlika, majority culled or gave away the dunghills for better fowls in less than a year.

The seminar was only great because of the presence of Carol NeSmith and Francis Lumunsad who won the 1997 Araneta 8-cock World Slasher Cup with a score of 7-1 using a UNIFORM show of yellow-legged cocks. Francis Lumunsad is a REAL winner. Winning the WSC with his Blackwater breedings at only AGE 40 with only 6 years experience in breeding raising and fighting gamefowl. KGB's derby record from 1993 - 1998 is at this thread.
http://www.sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/F.../001107-2.html

Aside from the resource speakers, the Maharlika Seminar pales in comparison with the PCS or Philippine Cocking School - the most complete and organized cocking seminar in the country. Sa isang corporation pa napupunta ang pera mo di sa iisang tao lamang.

[Draven51501]

Originally posted by TonyDel:
I often read his "kontrapelo" column in his magazine and I fully agree that he bashes people left and right. Sometimes he names them, sometimes he does not. The problem about that is the fact that people he bashes cannot defend themselves on the same wave-length as people cannot respond. There is also another thing, I've noticed, the people that he bashes have not given him fowl previously and the people he praises are those that did. At least, most of them.

TD

[This message has been edited by TonyDel (edited 10-01-2001).]

TD,

just the column i was reffering to.. maybe Draven is really Tonydel and vice versa..[img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[Kidd Sentencia]

TD, that's an impressive post in as far as detailed info. I wonder how did you know that much? Is that on a mag? Did you attend the seminar? Or, just plain first-hand knowledge thru somebody else.

Kidd

tonydel, you might have some good points in your posts above but you personally insulted me when you said that cheap fowls come from those breeders who got their broodstock for free. although all my broodstocks were obtained for free i definitely won't sell the offsprings cheap. and i also disagree with your theory that bigtime breeders won't give their best broodstock for free. just acquired for free a trio from a bigtime breeder that is worth 60,000.00 pesos to his customers. friendships sometimes is worth more than thousands of pesos and that's one thing you should learn. goodluck!!!

[Kidd Sentencia]

I guess it comes with the "territory." You praise someone, someone will bash...hehehe. Two sides of the coin...meron at wala all the time.

Cheers to all!

Kidd

[spangle]

TD,
Based on your detailed chronology of events,I am convinced that you were a participant of the seminar...the Fiel brothers happened to be good friends of mine...now I remember...you are Ronald del Rosario...

Spangle


[This message has been edited by spangle (edited 10-02-2001).]

[jlbs72]

Draven,

Peace[img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[Pinolim]

I admire TonyDel's postings. There is so much to learn regarding the current events in cocking in our homeland right now. I just disagree with his generalization of inferior quality or if not dunghills given as a gift.
There are still frienships more valuable than money and I agree with Mang Amboy. I still feel that one of our strongest Filipino virtues is gift giving of whatever is the best out there. I hope our next generation will still hold unto that great virtue.

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4got10cocker

[laloma]

Konting lamig...mga pards,
Can't believe this thread has generated so much discussion re-Totoy D L C and his magazine.(parang lumabas ang buong anatomy niya), Can we just go back to the original subject "reasonable prices for brood/seed fowl"?

[glenn]

Draven,

The beauty of this cybervenue is that we can exchange info almost as fast as we can think about it. But, the unfortunate fact still unresolved is that only 2 percent of the cocking world have access to this info and I feel sorry for the millions of innocent souls that will fall prey to the thousands of swindlers in the sabong industry. FOR AS LONG AS THERE ARE SUCKERS-THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SWINDLERS. At least, in cockfighting we can still prove ourselves in the pit with no doubt since it is a judgement of finality= EITHER YOU WIN, YOU RUN, OR YOU DIE.
At least we are not in the same predicament as in the DOGWORLD where winning is a matter of who is judging the show.
The day when winning in COCKING means being judged by an "overweight nerd" OR "a homely looking woman in her late forties whos only real relationship is with her dogs" on how nice the feathers and conformation of your cocks are- IS THE DAY I WILL QUIT BREEDING.
But, since we are still being redeemed by their gameness,and cutting ability, I WILL STILL GO ON SPENDING MORE TIME THAN I SHOULD- WITH MY WINNING CHICKENS. I just hope that the beginners out there, try to smarten up faster . Peddlers are easy to spot as long as you have your eyes wide open. TOO BAD PEDDLING IS NOT PROSCRIBED TO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. glenn

[This message has been edited by glenn (edited 10-04-2001).]

[srs]

Lahat ng nakasulat sa topic ay may puntos dahil sarili at opinion ng bawat isang mananabong ang nagpahayag, bagamat ang usapan ay nauuwi sa balitaktakan (Ginebra! hehehe), walang masama kung ayaw ng isang reader sa tao, ang breeding ay hindi biro, magastos at mabusisi dahil kailangan malaman mo pa kung alin ang lalabas na magaling , sabawat breeder na inyong nabibilhan at nahihingian, itanong na lang ninyo sa inyong pagka-experto kung ayos ba ang offspring nito, at i-boost mo ang production, dahil bale wala ang mga binabanggit ninyong breeder kung bulok naman ang mga offspring nito.. Stick on your breeding kahit kanino pa ito galing basta binibigyan kayo ng biyaya AYOS!!!
YFIS
SRS

Originally posted by mang amboy:
tonydel, you might have some good points in your posts above but you personally insulted me when you said that cheap fowls come from those breeders who got their broodstock for free. although all my broodstocks were obtained for free i definitely won't sell the offsprings cheap. and i also disagree with your theory that bigtime breeders won't give their best broodstock for free. just acquired for free a trio from a bigtime breeder that is worth 60,000.00 pesos to his customers. friendships sometimes is worth more than thousands of pesos and that's one thing you should learn. goodluck!!!

Mang Amboy, please don't be offended by my post, sayang lang ang galit ninyo because I never had any intention of bashing you. I am aware about your situation, I know that good breeders give good fowl for free to their dear friends, especially if their friends practice good ethics. I know for sure that you were given free fowl because your friend knows that you are not going to "spoil" his bloodline by selling it cheaply for profit to the public as your hanap-buhay.

However, my experience tells me that not all beginners are lucky enough like you to be given P60,000 worth of quality fowl. Generally, beginners have no choice but to acquire or purchase quality fowl in exchange for cash because majority of the successful folks also acquired their stocks thru the same method. Even if they give Eddie Araneta a dozen red roses to make ligaw, I still think they have to pay Eddie his price to get Eddie's quality fowl. Generally, people buy their broodstocks, very few survive without buying broodstocks. The three names I mentioned, Eddie Araneta, Patrick Puno and Francis Lumunsad were successful in befriending the breeders of their lines and monetarily purchasing their fowl. As Mac White said in one of his articles: "My fowl was acquired thru friendships.... and a whole lot of money."