I was watching the World Slasher Jan 2001 and I saw a lot of the Bodlat line of chickens winning. I understand its a line bred by Boy Boy Roa. Does anyone know exactly what bloodlines were infused?

Originally posted by pancho:
I was watching the World Slasher Jan 2001 and I saw a lot of the Bodlat line of chickens winning. I understand its a line bred by Boy Boy Roa. Does anyone know exactly what bloodlines were infused?

My friend who is breeding that line in phils. told me that it is a blend of a Round head and a Dan Gray Kelso... hope this will help....fis.

i'll try to be objective here. i come from cagayan de oro myself where boyboy roa breeds this bodlat line. the history of this cock named bodlat is far from ordinary. when boyboy was still buying fowl by the truckloads in bacolod, hinlo gave this cock and some other class b or c roosters as bonus for the huge volume of boy boy.
this particular cock was a reject, medium low station, queer bulging eyes (that's why he was called bodlat). he was just left out in the tie cord until he was 4 years old. at a tupada or bush fight, they fought bodlat and he won spectacularly. then he was fought in the hackfights two more times in spectacular fashion. then by the time he was a 4 time winner, boy boy decided to breed him. turns out, all his sons fought the same way he did. after a few more years, bodlat has become a 7 time winner already. he had proven to be quite prepotent since his sons were carbon copies of the the original bodlat. now remember, bodlat was a battlecross. so it was just a matter of time, when bodlat was linebred, the offsprings started to act up. They claim they have already inbred bodlat before he died a couple of years ago, to 15/16th. nearest estimate is that the original bodlat had some lemon blood in them, probably some hatch, maybe some roundhead, and god knows what else. even danilo hinlo doesn't remember the exact make-up of this particular marking. or so he claims. for the past few years, the zamboanga thomason line of boy primallion was crossed with them and later on, a dan gray roundhead/claret cock from jun santiago. they're still winning now, the bodlat/zamboanga/dan gray crosses. personally, i believe it's the dan gray blood propping up this bodlat family.

but was given by danilo hinlo as part of of the bonus chickens hinlo gave boyboy for the big volume of chicken sales

[glenn]

Emoy,
Funny how a cock from out of nowhere always seems to be the one to start a winning family. I've had this happen to me twice already. Sometimes, I really want to perpetuate a line and something goes wrong and all that time and money just goes to waste. Then, I try breeding a cock that I bought from "nowhere special" and it turns out to be a great producer. Somehow, if all the great breeders like Kelso, Mclean, Harold Brown, Mcrae etc... just had a memory bank from which we could extract exact records of how they developed their strains, we would probably be surprised to find out that most of the theories that we believe today to be the route to breeding success would be squashed.
Everyday, I come closer and closer to believing that it is the INDIVIDUAL cock or hen that gives the winning trait no matter what he or she is called or where he or she comes from. Of course, the fundamental characteristics of a good fighting strain must always include cutting and gameness. regards, glenn

haven't heard of bodlat line but i like what emoy has revealed about its origin. my broodcock in iloilo is of unknown bloodline but i like his fighting style and cutting ability. he won at 1 year old with nary a scratch. his paternal brother also won the same thing. this brother of his won again this year but died a few minutes later due to a single wound at the breast. since their father was killed by an idiot handler of a friend when he borrowed it, i am now getting my chances on this current broodcock to deliver the winning offsprings. i hope it would come out like the bodlat line too.

glenn, you are right with your observations but it is cheaper to breed from a proven winning line i think. buy what is the winning breed at the moment if you can afford it of course, and just breed from them. voila, you have a solid fighters already. for every boy primallion's or boy boy roa's success hundreds i believe failed from their breeding experiment.

Originally posted by glenn:
Emoy,
Funny how a cock from out of nowhere always seems to be the one to start a winning family. I've had this happen to me twice already.

I have a battlecock that didn't show anything special up to the age of 18 mos. But after that, he performed like a totally different cock. Age could be a factor. But the transformation was simply spectacular. I fought him several times, intentionally matching him against well known breeders. He won every fight in an amazing way. After one of his fights, our opponent made a VERY attractive offer to buy the cock. But I declined. This cock is now in one of my broodpens. [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[spangle]

glenn, are you the cousin of alvin lim of mighty wings fame? how is everything going on at Nonoy Chiongbian's cockpit? I have an entry this coming Healthy Boy promotion but I won't be there to see my birds fight. How is your McDonalds doing? If you are the man,keep me posted.

Best regards,

TROY

[glenn]

Hello Troy,

Naa na diay ka diha bai ? No wonder I haven't seen you around. I also have an entry this upcoming Healthy Boy promotion but I doubt if this will attract a lot of entrants. The 1 Million is not guaranteed as with all of Nonoy's derbies. Last 5-cock derby only had 24 entries- very pitiful. Alvin did not enter this year's circuit. This year he was testing the Asil grades and they're not quite right yet. Next years crop of stags are looking very good and sparring really awsome- this should put him back into contention. He is not worried about losing a few- just wants to experiment a little. I'm sure you are enjoying watching the fights there. Are you near a majot pit ? Balita-i lang nya ko bai . regards , glenn

[spangle]

Glenn, daan pa gyud ko,it's you. I'm not so sure of the figure of entrants but I need to put my roosters in the pit as they will be too old if I pass this schedule. Though i'm here, I continued my breeding there in Cebu thru a very good friend. In fact, may parating ako na broodstock next week that I got from Hatch Village. I took some Leiper Hatch to cross it out with my existing stock.
Medyo malayo ako sa sabong dito,but I had the chance to visit Bayou last year. Bitin pero okey na lang kaysa wala. Istoryahi unya ko bai sa mga panghitabo dinha including the upcoming derby. I'll send my next post to your mail addy.

Best Regards,

TROY

[Maning]

I will share my insight about the BODLAT cock that may be different from other folks here.

The rumor that the BODLAT cock was a giveaway or reject is totally wrong. The BODLAT cock, though ugly (YL peacomb-marked R-NOSE), is sensational. When he was fought, he won in seconds and most of them unscatched.

Around 1989-'90- BBR bought volume of battlecocks from DVH and brought them to Cagayan. The then famous BODLAT cock was one of this batch. Most of these battlecocks were lemon crosses.

Around 1991-'92- DVH borrowed some (appx. 24) battlecocks from BBR. These were DVH battlecocks (included BODLAT) that was bought by BBR around two years ago. Most of them were fought in big derby (DVH-BBR); that includes the international in Manila.To make the story short, BODLAT won 3x while he was conditioned by DVH in Bacolod City.

Around 1994-95 - DVH sent back BODLAT to Cagayan. He was fought again in Manila and won his 4th and 5th fight. Bodlat's 6th and 7th win was in Cagayan. The 7th win was fought by BBR's son without his knowledge...

BTW, BODLAT's full brother won 5x also in the hands of DVH... They're just super roosters...

Hey guys, you might be asking where i got this story- I got this from a very good friend who tied BODLAT's knife 5 times ...

Itutuloy...



maning

twas nice you shared the idea of the such.. im interested to join the NMGBA. i heard that you was once a teacher at the high school (XUHS). im from the H.S. too, batch 2002. my friend Gilmore Elman told me about it. he was a student of yours and he told me good things about you, twas geometry class and we all know that its somewhat boring, he told me you wouldnt miss a something like "joketime", thats great sir!. anyway.. im up for the breeding season and i want to join the stag derby here in cdo if there is one. been watching your shows and i find it very informative. i hope i could meet you someday.


always fighting the devil within,
seymour


"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there, go even farther"

Maning,

Nobody said that the original BODLAT didn't won a lot of fights, Emoy just said that it was given as a bonus cock (class b or c in the breeders eyes because of his physical features).

They realized later on that this UGLY cock is an ace cock based based on his fighting abilities and his ability to pass it to his offsprings. Emoy even said that it won 7 FIGHTS after few years...

Manny Pacquiao was not considered to be an ACE BOXER at the start of his career because his too small...


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alaskador

[salvio]

sir alaskador.
emoy did ,he said it was a reject in the other thread "bodlat lines" by projectA. but you are right too, no body said it on this thread that it was reject ,only a giveaway.

salvio

salvio,

I'm aware that it was considered as a reject by the breeder (class b or class c). I read emoy's post on the other thread.

What i'm trying to say to maning is that we are aware that it won a lot of fights but it does not change the fact the it was considered as a reject by the breeder that's why it was given as a bonus cock and the buyer just realized later on that it was an ACE cock ...

:sprcool:

[onieaces]

alaskador


sir im not a bigtime breeder but the thing is ( reject) its not good to hear this pipol is a bigtime breederetc.etc... etcc.. ako hindi bigtime breeder hindi nga mag bigay nang give aways yung pang mga big time breeder tapos bigyan mo mga millionaryo hehehhe nakatuwa naman yan, ako katay ng katay pag hindi tama ang porma ng manok , what kaya yung mga tao na yan so kung reject man ang bigay nila ibang usapan na yan di ba ,

sarap ng sabaw sa mga manok dyan sa atin hehehe kaya ktay na angmga rject di ba

onie

[paningit]

I saw them fight too...they are really amazing...
paningit

onieaces,

It depends on the standard of the breeder. Some breeders might classify a gamecock as a reject but others might think that it's an ace.

I can assure you that BIGTIME BREEDERS give BONUS COCK and even the millionares accept it.

The bonus cock might not be good looking but it will not be given as a bonus if it does not have the fighting skills to win.



Just a friendly reminder : THIS IS AN ENGLISH ONLY FORUM
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alaskador

[paningit]

Onieaces waiting for your reply from alaskador...this is keeping me out of boredom...
paningit

wait, isn't it a bit disturbing to know that DVH gave his bulk buyers a free reject roosters?? i mean if i am a breeder like DVH why will i do that? its very very embarrassing to do that especially to a bulk buyer.

i would rather gave my buyer the Best rooster I have in order for that buyer to comeback ang buy some more fowls from me again.

let's go back to the "reject" word here. For me a reject should mean in simple words " not acceptable". In any cases if one doest comply to the requirements or standards set then it is rejected and usually rejected things are not to be kept for long.hehehee...

just my thoughts...






:lol: :hippie:

to shed some light...

twas stated that it was a reject, so what? dont base your fowls in names and words, base it on performance. i dont care if my fowls look ugly so long as they win and win again and win more. sabong is gambling, whether we like it or not. the first objective is to win and win more, the second one is for recreational, stress output and that gushing adrenalin rush and thrill.

tiny meneses once said in his' articles and i qoute, 'breed for performance, not for names"

always fighting the devil within,
seymour


"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there, go even farther":hombre:

[louie1]

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[Maning]

alaskador,

I would like to say it again that the BODLAT cock wasn't a reject nor a bonus cock when bought. I don't want you to believe me but what i said came direct from the horse mouth, who helped train and tied the knife of BODLAT when he was fought in biggies and brought him back in Cagayan. I don't exxagerate stories, listen to hearsays nor doesn't check the veracity of it's contents and confirm it's real before i put in writing.

When you read others story, BODLAT wasn't fought until he was approximately 4 years old and was fought in brush fight and was later discovered that he was a super rooster. While mine, BODLAT was fought in bigtime time derby the first 6 fight he won. It was his 7th win that BBR's boy fought him without his knowledge. Doesn't my story have discrepancy, other than the others?

I do believe that each one of as has it's own criteria in selecting gamefowl, might be a reject or not. But, i'm pretty sure buyers have their own boys help select what they want when they buy, unless the buyer believes in the honesty of the breeder he is buying and letting them select. In selection you might find them good but sometimes they come bad after months or years after buying them. Some buyers that have good relationship with the breeder has the option of returning them.

BTW, i just want to straighten up this story nothing more...


Maning

p.s. Manny Pacquiao is good but he wouldn't be a great like; Pancho Villa, Speedy Dado or Ceferino Garcia

[swallow]

You see, its really non-sense getting into a heated argument on something that is kept secret by breeders. Its up to you guys which version you want to believe in, the bottom line is BODLAT is a great cock that won a lot of fights. Period.
Both stories are worth believing.
I like what Glenn had to say about breeding, I personally believe that most of the breeding theories that we faithfully adhere to this days, we can throw out of the window if all the great breeders of yester years would have presented their breeding records.
It is just recently that i have thrown out of the window all this theories, and now i am using pure "chicken sense" in my breeding program. I don't mind losing a bird, because before my broodfowls die i would have gotten hundreds from him, and only those that look and fight like him would be use for breeding regardless if its a line-bred or cross-bred fowl. With all the diseases nowadays, i will not sacrifice the immune system of my birds.

[Blackwing]

Maning,

I like to hear your Bodlat story. Keep them coming pre.

I had a chance to talk with Tito Dan 3 years ago in Iloilo Coliseum. I call him tito since one of his niece is my best friend. We attended the Negros Slasher 7 stag derby in which DVH entry won solo at 6 1/2 pts. He told me that he bought his lemon from Tony Trebol and that the "bodlat" cock has a lemon in it and some Sheppard blood. I asked him what happened to his "Garrett" bloodline he just smiled.

bw

Bla..bla..bla.....The veracity of the history about Bodlat goes to Maning hury!. I understand what you are trying to prove SIR believe him! beleive him! coz he knows everything gush. If I tell you about Bodlat breed my own version SIR Manny you're not gonna believe me. needless to say:angry: better take asperin for highblood presure.

Blackwing, I've heard the same as yours too.

Maning,

Only Hinlo or Boyboy can give us the accurate story ... Thanks for sharing your version of BODLAT History.

:sprcool:

Alaskador

P.S. Speaking of Boxing, I still prefer Gabriel "Flash " Elorde.

[blitzgame]

Maning,

I'll swap some with you with my RR OK?


blitz

[gensoriano]

I am sure Maning can expound a little bit more since DH's son is his friend and cockmate in quite a few derbies in the East Coast. :hippie:

gensoriano

i am quite amazed with the fighting style of this.........bodlat line.....they are versatile ........BILLHOLDERS.........yes.......they peck first.........and sort of lifting up their opponent in air.........and whammmmmmmmm.......follows the powerful clip........they are very accurate cutters...........

Buhawi...

I have a bodlat cock and crossed it with a mclean hatch hen, the result is very impressive... High breaker, hard hitter, accurate cutter( you will see his feet hitting the opponents body),very smart, knows when to attack and when to elude,and he will shuffle from top to bottom during the first buckles.Unfortunately I can no longer duplicate this line because I lost the parents and other materials after being attacked by Bullsh**s.(and I lose out of interest and advised my father to stop breeding).What was left was one 14months old bodlat/mclean and three bodlat/sweater crossed chicks.I asked My Father to send me the bodlat/mclean cock and one sweater/bodlat chick here in manila, for me to have something to pet with. The sweater/bodlat chick is now 5 months old and will spar him soon to test his skills.


I am planning to breed this cock and hope to duplicate its fighting ability(knowing bodlat are prepotent,I hope this one too) but the problem is I don't have the space and hen to crossed with.I guess a good boston roundhead will be a good combination to maintain its skills and add body built



However,if there is anyone willing to breed and can maintain, if possible can create a line out of this cock, then I'm willing to lend it over.



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