[felisa]

what is the effectivity of using only one broodcock to 12 hens. can you use 4 hens like full sister each group and 3 groups and have your rotation with your best broodcock? thanks my amigos and keep on cybercocking.

Amigo,

If you group the hens, even though they are full sisters, that you are breeding with your choice broodcock, this is called "flock mating". You can do this but there will be no way to find out on the offsprings which ones are throwing the winners or loosers. It will be easy if all offsprings from all your hens will win but this is pretty hard to do. Even if most of the offsprings wins, you need to really pinpoint which ones are throwing the higher percentage of wins. I guess what I am saying is if you are serious about breeding, you need to "singlemate" every one of your hens to your broodcock and keep good, accurate records. This way you'll know for sure which ones are producing well for you and which ones need to be taken out of your breeding program. I read once in the magazines where you can build a giant pen, something like 100' long X 4' wide X 6' high, and you can then tiecord each hen attached to a tee-pee. Separate the hens so that they don't reach each other. Install a nest under each tee-pee and let the broodcock roam inside this gigantic pen. He will service each hen at his leisure. This is one way you can do it and avoid rotating the broodcock daily. Each hen will lay a clutch of eggs in the nest under the tee-pee. Because the hens are separated, and after you test the offsprings, you will know exactly which hen(s) are going to be your golden egg producer. Hope this helps...

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Lasak1

[EAA Indians]

Felisa and Arnel.... here is one big plus to the Filipino cockers invention. Filipino cockers built a box of individual "trap nests" to identify the each hen in a "flock mating" set-up. I have seen 4 trap nests. The way it works, the door is held up (swing up) by a stick, when the hen goes in to lay her eggs, she knocks down the stick and the door drops down behind her and traps the hen. Each day, the farm hand will pick up and eggs by opening the top lid, to let out the trapped hen and pick up the eggs. Then the farm help (who read and write-a must requirement), writes the broodcock wing band no. and the hen's wing band no. on the eggs. Walah!!! the bennies are identified and the cocker can tract the hens that produces more winners or better conformation or hardier offsprings, etc. I guess the trap nests come in fours maybe because of the total weight of the box. If you have more than four hens, you can another box of 4 trap nests. Isn't this another Filipino cocker great invention? I should have the trap nest drawing when I return to Manila.

[Galapong]

Kapag lagi siyang nakukulong sa trap nest, hindi ba siya nadadala? Just curious.

Galapong

felisa,
i don't know if this will be of help. what my brother and i used to do is bring a diffirent hen each morning to our favorite brood cock, hold her down until the cock mounts her and does his thing. we keep each hen in individual pen afterwards. we just do one hen each day to allow the cock to regain his strenght, although i personally think he can do more.
cheers, crispulo

[cholo a. franco]

hello eaa,
would be very interested in your drawing of the trap nest. would appreciate it very much if you can share it with me.
thanks a lot!

[felisa]

thank you all lmy cyber kaibigan.how about using only one broodcock for 12 hens and like 3or 4 hens per pen. makaepekto kaya kung magrotation ka sa fertility. i know it is very important mag single mating pero kung iisal lang ang best broodcock lmo din i think puedeng gawin ito?and do you have to rotate every day or a few times a day? thanks a lot.

Hello EAA,

If it's not too much trouble, please also include me in your list to give sketches of the subject trap nest. I would also like to do this and experiment for myself. Sounds like a very good idea to me...Thanks in advance...Keep 'em crowing!

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Lasak1

[EAA Indians]

Arnel...I also noted your email address and I be glad to share the trap nest. Just make sure that your are only trapping chickens not chicks....the Daisy gang (desi sais, desi siete, desi otso, desi nueve, desi kinse.....oooopppss pabaliktad na ata ang bilang mo ....masama na yata yan).

[EAA Indians]

Felisa...if you have 12 hens and 1 broodcock, you are spreading it thin. If I were you, I will have 3 settings. First setting, I will select the best hens (about 4 or 5). Single mating is a labor of love. You can rotate the BC Mon-Fri and rest Sat-Sun. Second setting and third setting. But don't forget, you have to reserve one setting for your pures. OOooopss don't be like my friend, who is an impulsive sabongero, he took a big risk to fight his only broodcock and loss....no more breeding.

[This message has been edited by EAA Indians (edited 04-27-2001).]

[felisa]

thank you so much my cyberfriends. lahat ng mga sugg. ninyo makakatulong sa akin and maybe sa mga aspiring baguhan sa mahal nating sport. keep on cybercocking.

[pennie fabros]

Originally posted by Arnel:
Hello EAA,

If it's not too much trouble, please also include me in your list to give sketches of the subject trap nest. I would also like to do this and experiment for myself. Sounds like a very good idea to me...Thanks in advance...Keep 'em crowing!

hi arnel---did you recieved my e mail? bukas na yon.have a good day.

pennie

[EAA Indians]

Penny F.....I gathered that you want to also receive the drawing of the trap nest. I will include you on the list.

broodcock rotation

Anyone heard of 1-hen to 3-broodcock breeding? Who's doing this kind of practice? Did Old True-Cockers experimented on this kind of breeding like Col. Madigin? :rbounce:

I knew one.....

i agree that 12 hens are too much for 1 broodcock at a time. i single mate everytime in my farm. the hens don't come into "heat all at the same time, so what i do is select the first four that are ready. i single mate my broodcock to 2 hens on a given day, 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. the next two on the next day.

i also belive that 1 mating can fertilize more than 1 egg. lets say after a few days another 2 hens are ready for mating, i add them to the rotation, this means that 2 hens will have 1 rest day. i only do this up to 6 hens. it works for me. i keep the hens in small fly pens. and by assuring that they are willing to be mounted, the cock doesn't have to waste much energy chasing hens around.


sana umabot pa ako ng sept. 17 dito for the stag derby. :rbounce:

[spangle]

Bai Cholo,

You can have a very good view of how the trap nest was designed. All you need to do is drive to San Jose at Pording Conopio's farm and you will find it there.


Troy/ Spangle

Try this one if you like

[EAA Indians]

Very simple trap nest. The downside of this trap nest is when the doors are not maintained and oiled, the doors do not drop freely because of the dirt build up and rust.

[tallpaulg]

The easy way to single mate is to tie cord four hens, each in the corner of a breeding house 10' x 12'. I make the breeding houses out of palm 2x2 lumber and fishing net using Nipa for the roof. In each corner of the breeding house about 18" above the ground is an 18"x18" nest box 6" deep. I fill the box with 2" sand and 4" fresh rice hay. that way each chicken can only reach one nest. I let the cock run free with the hens for 15 days.

I move all eggs to the incubator and mark them every day.

The cock then gets a rest for one week and goes to four more hens in another breeding house. if I want to breed another cock to the hen I wait until she slows way down on laying or stops. I then introduce the other cock and use the first three eggs for chicken food (boiled).

[wildfoot]

tallpaulg,

I do the same as you except I sometimes have as much as ten hens to one broodcock. I just number the teepee and write the number on the eggs. I collect the eggs everyday to stop the hen from going broody. In a pen of ten hens I average about 450 - 500 egss per season doing it this way and hatch about 80% or about 300+ chicks.......


Felisa,

The commercial poultry standard is a ratio of 10 to 1. What you will find is that not all hens will want to be mated at the same time. The hen will sit when it feels ready. The other problem with having them in pens loose is the Broodcock spend a lot of time chasing the Hens (rape) while the string method, the hens sit in front of him as he does his morning inspection. The hens have three breeding cycles each season (you can change Broodcocks each cycle) on the last cycle I dont collect the eggs and let them sit it out so they learn next season to lay in the nest. What I do is on the First cycle are Pure fowl and on the second and third cycle are Battle crosses. The advantage here is that you are sure of keeping the pures going and they grow out first (bigger) as they are inbred and you dont have to worry about losing their size. The crosses have hybrid vigor so they hatch later in the season, most hybrids (crossbreeds) will grow bigger anyway.


I have tried the trap nest, but my hens can only be fooled once in the beggining of the season and will never return once they have been trapped (smart hen-Good trait) A hen that does not learn from its mistakes is a cull here( if they jump the fence and survive the fox they'll never jump the fence again or they get culled by the fox).

The holding method works too but if you have 12 hens it becomes tiresome once the novelty wears off and you never know when shes ready or when she wants it so a lot of s*e*m*e*n is wasted.


Vini Vidi Vici
Wildfoot

[tallpaulg]

I agree with the 10 to 1 ratio i just don't have the room or the stock at this time to go for bigger breeding houses.

[jlbs72]

wildfoot,

can you please explain the 3 breeding cycle. when and how long for each cycle. thanks my friend.

[juan sabungero]

nice thread though . . .

[peatree]

for the past 5 years , this is what I do,


I collected winners 4 to 11 times winner broodcocks


I have 16 flypens in a 4 meters X 20 meters cockhouse . I reserved 5 flypens for my backyard breeding. I rotate the desired broodcock each day and I place number 1 to 5 for each pen so i wont be confused which pens to throw the broodcock each day.


what is the result after +/- 5 years???


of the five broodcocks/bloodlines I was experimenting I can only conclude that 2 of the bloodlines kept me winning in smalltime d 3 cocks derby. and the 3 bloodlines are disasters giving me less than 30% winnings!


Now this is what I am doing presently,. I collected the 5 hens from 1 winning bloodlines and four of the related bloodlies that happen to be yellow legged. meaning the hens and the broodcocks are all yellow legged with the trait and conformation almost the same to as the original bloodline. I place the hen in 4 x 4 meters pen and throw 4 broococks (one in a day}in rotation. 4 laying nest are provided. so far I have more than 50 eggs collected and set.

The other winning bloodlines were in breed and I was able to produced 1 bro/sis hen and 2 bro/sis cocks. the one of the bro cocks were bred back to the mother in single mating in a flypen where she is now incubating the 8 eggs undisturb. the two in bred broodcocks now are in the cord with more tha 20 hens roaming around to have me busy fightingcocks while experimenting breeding.


The best subtitute to a trapnest is I think a video monitoring camera just like what is installed in the banks and groceries where a monitoring personel will patiently watch the nest. it is expensive but affordable for the bigtimers.

my cent cont.for my hobby

tsirs!

VST

[Darkwing]

EAA Indians

Kindly include me in your list and send me a drawing of he trap nest too.

thanks a lot

[peatree]

14 hens can be carried by 1 broodcock, iread it from the magazine I cant remember.

The big question is how to do it ?

I figure out a plan to do this trick before but until now I have not tried to do it.

This is the scheme to answer Felisa's question will it be effective?

I have tried one hen for each of the 5 flypens and rotate a single broodcock it works but somehow I realized its way out off topic.

This is how to do it for 12 or 14 hens for 1 broodcock.


One small breeding pen at least 3 feet by 3 feet floor dimension. or if you have a vacant flypen. one flypen will do.

Have the 14 hens in 14 holding cage when they can also lay their egg. throw 1 hen in the morning to the broodcock early in he morning and replace it with the 2nd hen in the afternoon. remove the hen before dark. then the ff day the third hen is then is throw in the breeding/fly pen.....and so fort to the 14th hen and repeat the cycle. if you have 12 hens then the cycle repeats after the 12th hen.This way u dont need a trap nest and you are having single mating for the nth hens.

[peatree]

That's how the lemon 84 gotten its way literally!