[tory09]

Can you see Dom as the dominant color of the future, replacing even the much favored reds and the greys in Philippines cockpits? Since gen2 won a major tournament with his DOMs and a few others that follows there been a resurgence of interest on the much under appreciated color. Doms in the past were look upon as inferior, not game enough and doesn't have what it takes to win a major fight. Now with this new interest could this be the start of the DOMs turn to dominate Philippines cockfighting scene? I think it is but what do you think?

[grey/dom]

Originally Posted by tory09

Can you see Dom as the dominant color of the future, replacing even the much favored reds and the greys in Philippines cockpits? Since gen2 won a major tournament with his DOMs and a few others that follows there been a resurgence of interest on the much under appreciated color. Doms in the past were look upon as inferior, not game enough and doesn't have what it takes to win a major fight. Now with this new interest could this be the start of the DOMs turn to dominate Philippines cockfighting scene? I think it is but what do you think?

hey..wining or non winning.....i just love em'.....

but they win with me in my lil hacks under the mango tree..beside those bamboos...

when i want to enjoy...they deliver!....its like the mailman...but they deliver evn on sundays....

[3rdGen]

If you could get your hands on the good 'uns sure you'll be winning with them just like any other breed or color for that matter. Not a lot of good breeders focused and improved on doms being off-colored hence you don't see that many good ones. There was a gentleman who lived outside McAllen in south TX and showed nothing but white doms at the Bayou back in the days. His white doms whipped a lot of the big boys' reds and greys in every weapon, especially in the knife. My uncle and I never saw one of them white dom devils loose, they were just invincible. Some shows lasted only a few seconds. Being black breasted red fanatics, our opinion on off-color fowls especially doms totally changed because of the shows of that great gentleman cocker. My uncle got friends with him and when he visited his yard it was no more than acre and prolly no more that fifty heads in the yard, but you'll see only one color - white doms. What a sight to behold my uncle said. They're the most beautiful off colored fowls we've seen, but the beauty is just a plus. They got it all. He just focused on them for many many years. That shows what focus, dedication, hard work, good selection and of course testing in the big pits could do to one family that's got it to begin with. We were fortunate to get his blood through friendship before he passed on. Now, if you're gonna let me choose only one bloodline to remain in our farm among our roundheads, kelsos, albanies and sweaters, without hesitation I'd choose our white doms and their crosses that we set as family.

[Nortacs]

All along i really don't see the DOM especially the color as inferior, maybe in luzon and northern parts of the philippines where the favored color is the "sweater-looking".
DOMS are here to stay, not a dominating color in the pit as the reds and greys but who cares about color, this is not a beauty contest anyway..

[slipspur]

I'm glad to see the Doms have found their nitch... you don't see many on the bigger farms here in the USA... reason being... altho they are fast, break, cut & are sometimes very game... they just don't have the livability for the Gaff. I had a bud that loved Doms... the Barred ones & the White ones... he was bound & determined to have some that could compete in the Gaff... he'd hear about some good one's & he'd go & buy some of em... everyone told him to show them in the L/K but he wouldn't... he found some that came close, but never that could come back from behind to win.

[Nortacs]

Originally Posted by slipspur

I'm glad to see the Doms have found their nitch... you don't see many on the bigger farms here in the USA... reason being... altho they are fast, break, cut & are sometimes very game... they just don't have the livability for the Gaff. I had a bud that loved Doms... the Barred ones & the White ones... he was bound & determined to have some that could compete in the Gaff... he'd hear about some good one's & he'd go & buy some of em... everyone told him to show them in the L/K but he wouldn't... he found some that came close, but never that could come back from behind to win.

sir slip, hi! i know you're more knowledgable on the genetics of most bloodlines, what would be the base blood of these DOMs. Indeed they've shown much promise in LK as they're fast and cuts excellent. When you mentioned livability fort he gaff are you referring to its gameness or to its endurance in sustaining multiple wounds especially in drag fights.

[slipspur]

Originally Posted by Nortacs

sir slip, hi! i know you're more knowledgable on the genetics of most bloodlines, what would be the base blood of these DOMs. Indeed they've shown much promise in LK as they're fast and cuts excellent. When you mentioned livability fort he gaff are you referring to its gameness or to its endurance in sustaining multiple wounds especially in drag fights.

All I know about the Doms is... that the color came out of English, Irish & Spanish fowl and that it's a domonate color. Livability had nothing to do with gameness, but... the gamer families seem to have more. Livability is the ability to take tons of punishment & still have the ability to come from behind & win. Doms are not at a disadvantage in the L/K like they are in the Gaff.

[timiboy420]

I'm not a fan of DOM but it changed when my friend sold a pullet for 500 pesos and told me that this line gave them fame in the pit. Because of his words i trusted him but the truth is, I don't like the feather it is not my type. I learned to love my Dom when they give me WIN..............WIN since 2002 until now with only one lost. Today I love this line the most,compared to my sweater, rhead, hatch because of their cutting ability.

[entz79]

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

Originally Posted by entz79

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

hehe.......depends on what type of doms you saw

[ahu_ka3bu]

DEPRECATE ('deprikăt)...............

Originally Posted by entz79

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

[SuperMax]

Originally Posted by entz79

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

Like all bloodlines, it all depends on how you breed your Doms. With a good breeding program, you can come out with Dom-looking what have you, meaning, you just retain the Dom color but the genetic make-up is practically anything you want, like 15/16th YLH, 15/16 Sweater, 15/16th Kelso, etc. You can even have a blue or green-legged Dom that is practically BLHatch with just the color of the Dom remaining and they can cut very very deep.

Cheers to all Dom-lovers out there!

[wildfoot]

Originally Posted by slipspur

I'm glad to see the Doms have found their nitch... you don't see many on the bigger farms here in the USA... reason being... altho they are fast, break, cut & are sometimes very game... they just don't have the livability for the Gaff. I had a bud that loved Doms... the Barred ones & the White ones... he was bound & determined to have some that could compete in the Gaff... he'd hear about some good one's & he'd go & buy some of em... everyone told him to show them in the L/K but he wouldn't... he found some that came close, but never that could come back from behind to win.

Slip, mine are pure whitehackles. They can absorb punishment better than any hatch and have been bred for the gaff...... I know what you're talking about though.

Wildfoot

[kogmohon]

my doms are now jumper yellow leg, don fontenot gilmore hatch, and blue legged wayne
hallmark/slim benoist kelso...i believed they have arrived the future...

[Mike Everett]

Originally Posted by kogmohon

my doms are now jumper yellow leg, don fontenot gilmore hatch, and blue legged wayne
hallmark/slim benoist kelso...i believed they have arrived the future...

One thing about Slim's fowl you'll aways get cutting birds...kogs have you ever heard of his Left Out Brassbacks?

[caloy72]

Originally Posted by kogmohon

my doms are now jumper yellow leg, don fontenot gilmore hatch, and blue legged wayne
hallmark/slim benoist kelso...i believed they have arrived the future...

YOU NAILED IT KOGS, ..ours are dink kelso/roundhead cross with a dash of a givens hatch.

[Nortacs]

Originally Posted by SuperMax

Like all bloodlines, it all depends on how you breed your Doms. With a good breeding program, you can come out with Dom-looking what have you, meaning, you just retain the Dom color but the genetic make-up is practically anything you want, like 15/16th YLH, 15/16 Sweater, 15/16th Kelso, etc. You can even have a blue or green-legged Dom that is practically BLHatch with just the color of the Dom remaining and they can cut very very deep.

Cheers to all Dom-lovers out there!

there's the beauty of it all when one practically breeds his own, develop it to be winners!
cheers to them who persevere and become successful in the end!!

the DOM-colored fowls in the future will not carry the genetics of the past, they will surely be the HYBRIDs/upgrades that we will see in the pits.

[kogmohon]

Originally Posted by Mike Everett

One thing about Slim's fowl you'll aways get cutting birds...kogs have you ever heard of his Left Out Brassbacks?

slim lost a lot of his lines when the first wife was ill and he was not able to take care of the farm and one of those was his big tail hatch...he remembered one filipino that got this line and that was capt. joe de sagun...joe still keep them pure and make them as based blood
on his bluelegged kelso and the dirty white legs that made one local breeder a genius......
never heard of his left out brassbacks...maybe they were one of those that he lost...i am
only familiar of the silver bullets...

[tory09]

kog,
Heard a lot of good things about your DOMs but never saw you use them in major contest. Are they really that good or is it all just hype. I have interest in acquiring maybe a trio of them to start with but I still need to convince myself that all I've heard is the real mccoy, maybe a few good words from you is all I need, thanks.

[kogmohon]

[QUOTE=tory09]kog,
Heard a lot of good things about your DOMs but never saw you use them in major contest. Are they really that good or is it all just hype. I have interest in acquiring maybe a trio of them to start with but I still need to convince myself that all I've heard is the real mccoy, maybe a few good words from you is all I need, thanks.[/QUOTE\



my doms are decent fighters and can hold their own...thanks to capt. joe de sagun
for breeding them right for me...we are constantly trying to improve them...my james hartgrove lines will debut this year in the stags and they are very promising...my problem
with them doms...the pure hardly produce pullets...all my produced last year were stolen
by my breeder...who has now a partnership with jason garces in minglanilla, cebu i heard they are producing a lot of this family lately...

[3rdGen]

hey kog,

After I dropped the name of the late "James Hartgrove" in the other thread "Bulik in the future" and posted a couple of pictures you told me in a pm that "i only heard james hartgrove name through tranh and wilbert le blanc where i got my other trio of doms...thats all they said it came from and the pictures you posted were so much alike with mine." Well the pictures you were referring to as so much alike with yours that I posted in that other thread were gold barred doms. They are already crosses with black breasted reds and are NOT the pure Hartgrove doms. The pure ones that were gifted to us by Hartgrove in 1994 through friendship that we're still maintaining in our farm are very much different from those pictures I posted -- they are white doms. I asked that we exchange pics of our pure ones but after I sent mine as you requested I never heard from you.

PS: The gentleman cocker I was referring to in my previous post above was of course the late James Hartgrove.

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by Mike Everett

One thing about Slim's fowl you'll aways get cutting birds...kogs have you ever heard of his Left Out Brassbacks?

We fought a pure Slim B white kelso stag (silver bullet line) at the Bayou in L/K in 2005 against a red cock. It won unscratched in just 5 secs. The crowd couldn't stop clapping. When I told the story to Slim this year when I got a chance to talk to him he had an even bigger story to tell. He said that in 1984 he hatched twelve white stags in February and by October he fought them barely nine months old in three 4-cock derbies at three major circuits (Texoma, Memphis Club, and the third one I forgot). The three derbies were one week after another, one weapon after another - gaff, short knife and long knife. ALL twelve stags won in the three different derbies in the three different weapons against full cocks.

[grey/dom]

my doms...just came from the local place like carbon... i enjoy their fights....near the bamboos and under the mango tree...

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by entz79

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

I don't blame you for thinking that way. There are far more bad uns out there than good uns. I hope the thinking stays that way, so whenever I bring em no gud doms in the hacks I'd be like peanut butter jelly swarmed by flies at the matching isle.

[caloy72]

Originally Posted by grey/dom

my doms...just came from the local place like carbon... i enjoy their fights....near the bamboos and under the mango tree...

..ahh, remembering those days back in PI.

[ylhatch]

Originally Posted by entz79

NO FUTURE FOR DOMS. i agree w sir slipspur, they 'SOMETIMES' live through fights... but most of the time, they die first. i believe they dont cut that deep. kulang sa diin?

2 full bro 1 half bro all 2x winner they kill in one buckle

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all are alive and being conditioned as of now.

these are all multi winners too.

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[dominator]

am on my 3rd year devlopin and breeding my doms and toying with them , got in love with there fightin style. they remind me my off colored slim white kelsos some 23 yrs. ago.i hope they could withstand and breed throught the years to come.only time will tell.

[Stripper]

Originally Posted by dominator

am on my 3rd year devlopin and breeding my doms and toying with them , got in love with there fightin style. they remind me my off colored slim white kelsos some 23 yrs. ago.i hope they could withstand and breed throught the years to come.only time will tell.

Kong Ruben and Mang Andy refer to those Whites as "BANGKAS" and are cross with J goode greys, kelsos, rh...crossed well with other lines and wreaking havoc all around Tarlac pits. I just have the pleasure of handling some...this BANGKAS can cut and they are complete fighters and GAME!!!

Hey Patrick i'm sure you're going to perfect this DOMS as you did with your slim white kelsos. It will reach Tarlac i'm sure....i may have the pleasure of handling some of them again...uuuuuuuu!!!

paolo malvar of sunhaven gamefarm,tarlac has some good doms
got one from him and still producing dom fighters for us.

[Mike Everett]

Originally Posted by 3rdGen

We fought a pure Slim B white kelso stag (silver bullet line) at the Bayou in L/K in 2005 against a red cock. It won unscratched in just 5 secs. The crowd couldn't stop clapping. When I told the story to Slim this year when I got a chance to talk to him he had an even bigger story to tell. He said that in 1984 he hatched twelve white stags in February and by October he fought them barely nine months old in three 4-cock derbies at three major circuits (Texoma, Memphis Club, and the third one I forgot). The three derbies were one week after another, one weapon after another - gaff, short knife and long knife. ALL twelve stags won in the three different derbies in the three different weapons against full cocks.

Yes, I remember when he did that..I believe that's when they got the name "Silver Bullets". I had heard that he almost quit breeding them, but the commerical demand was too great. Like I said before Slim always believed in cutting cocks. A friend of mine and also of Slim's was just given a blue hen and chicks from Slim, by his own hands. I wonder what she is?