[majestic]

I am in a big quandary right now. I recently hatched around 150 chicks last December and found out that there were only around 47 males, the rest are females which account for only 31% male percentage.I asked Doc Biboy of Maxxi gamefarm kung meron siyang vitamins na pangpadami ng hatch ng lalake sa sisiw. Sabi niya- meron be nun? How do I increase the hatch to have more males, I need your help. Pls give suggestions. Happy cocking to all.

majestic,

You can try to dip the eggs in Androgen solution. Easy to buy in the US, haven't found any here. Androgen is the male hormone. To get more females, dip in Estrogen solution, which is the female hormone...

Thanks!

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[EAA Indians]

[quote]Originally posted by JC:
[b]majestic,

You can try to dip the eggs in Androgen solution. Easy to buy in the US, haven't found any here. Androgen is the male hormone. To get more females, dip in Estrogen solution, which is the female hormone...

JC... I am confused. After the chicken lays the egg, you dip the egg in an Androgen solution to get more males and Estrogen to get more females. Is this possible to change the sex after the egg comes out? This one went over my head. Please explain.

EAA Indians

[booga]

my grandfather told me a while ago if i wanted to raise more males than females. i should select eggs that are pointed on the top part of the egg . this would indicate that it's a male. in females, the egg shape would be much rounder or more oval shaped. in my experience it's about 70% accurate. just sharing a little tip from grandpa.have a nice day!!!

peace to all laterz,

booga

Hello,

Mayroon akong narinig na kapag ang ginamit mo daw na inahin eh may tahid, mas marami ang magiging anak na lalaki nito. I have not proven this theory myself but will try it this coming breeding season. Have you guys heard this before??

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[Kidd Sentencia]

Has anybody here asked or inquired with a "hatcher" or "breeder" of those poultry-KFC-chicken? We know these chicken-4-food broilers are mostly female; they cook the males as one-day old chicks in PI. I've heard that they do it by just looking at it thru the light or something...the egg that is before the day it should hatch. Thereby, getting the name one-day old pulutan. My point is if they can breed mostly females, reverse the process, if reversable, then we can all produce more males. I maybe way off the mark, but, maybe on the mark too...anyone, post pls.

However, I think this is one secret a breeder who knows how would not share here. So, let's go find us a broiler breeder/hatcher. Meron pang arroz-caldo...hehehe.

Kidd

i recommend booga`s advice.the chances are you`ll get more male chicks than females.not actually 100% but with satisfying result!how about breeding more on the cockside!most hens with spurs are from deep cockside breeding!

I have found that the first and second hatch to come from my incubators seem to have a greater stag to pullet ratio. To keep this ratio you have to keep your brood hens in excellent health. If you neglect your hens and try to get too many eggs from them the ratio seems to change to the pullet. This has been my experience over the years. To better explain this I would strongly suggest every codker purchase the book THE SCIENTIFIC BREEDING OF GAME FOWL by FLOYDD GURLEY. This book has more good information than any i have ever read. There is not a cocker alive that can,t benefit from this book.

EAA,

Yes, you dip before setting in the incubator...

As far as changing sex, well you don't really change the sex. You just kinda "steer" it towards a certain sex type. The seed (semilla) is planted when the egg is fertilized, then it develops during incubation. The hormones help, but it's not a 100% thing... Take the example of transvestites (please... no comments [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/smile.gif[/img])... They are already fully developed males. Yet, after a few months of Estrogen treatment, they begin to "morph". And with the female bodybuilders, the reverse happens...

But that's really weird stuff... take the advise of booga and REB... Please [img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Thanks!

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[rk_opteryx]

Arnel,

Hello there!! Yes, I have heard about using spurred hens in the hope one would produce more stags in a clutch.

Before I go on, I wish to say that I am only expressing my own opinion and in no way disrespecting anyone whose beliefs are otherwise.

I suppose there has not been any documented record to prove that this theory holds true and until someone starts running a lot of testing and statistical data, this would only remain as such-- a theory. So I would understand perfectly well if you guys scoff at this idea. But on the other hand, there seems to be a logical reasoning behind this theory adopted by some who seem to be ahead in this game.

Spurs and the presence thereof, is a characteristic possessed by the male generally speaking. But with the hens or pullets having these spurs, could only mean that that male characteristic is passed on to them through the male hormone testosterone. And these spurred hens in turn could well be carrying more testosterone as compared to the ones without spurs. Some of the seasoned cockers in the sport also make mention that it is not unusual to see or hear these spurred hens crowing and showing more dominance over others.

Also, it has been brought up time and again that the cocks carry only the female chromosomes as opposed to the hen carrying both. And this they say is precisely the reason why a stag carries more influence coming from the hen.

After reading your post, Arnel, I visited this friend whose Rebel Grey hen had a clutch of 13 stags and 1 pullet last year. I saw the hen and she's spurred. Coincidence?? Well, it could very well be. But I can't wait till my friend breeds her to a different cock next time and see what happens.

I would be delighted to hear the outcome of this experiment of yours, Arnel.

On a last note, each and everyone of us has his own way of doing things, has his own beliefs, standards and the list goes on. I think this variety is what makes the sport even more interesting.

Take care everyone and may you all have a great season.

[Kidd Sentencia]

rk_optyrex, First of all, welcome to this great board! Very well said, looking forward for your posts! Thanks a lot!

Kidd

[EAA Indians]

Please do not laugh. My dad (bless his soul) had a German boss who had 10 children. My mom told us this story that this German couple had boy-girl-boy-girl down the line and my mom also shared the technique with us (my wife and me). Well, to have a boy, the German couple said, try very hard to get the husband much healthier condition than the wife, refrain from *.(*&^*& ) for a week before the ovulation day. This is the day that you ummmmp. I wanted boys only, so I took multiple vitamins and 1000 IU of Vit. E for 2 weeks prior to the ummmp. Well, I have two boys. Now, how does this apply to the chickens. Does the hen have an ovulation period so the cock can time it right? The vitamin part is not a problem but the ovulation. With us, we collect the daily body temperature of my wife 3 prior to ummmp. The doctor said when the female is ovulating the body temperature will be higher than normal for several days. I guess we have to take body temp. of the hens daily for 2 to 3 months so we can determine the ummmp and the ummmp and the uummmp timing. Maybe, we should just load the broodcock with multiple vitamins and extra vitamin E during the breeding season or just the first setting to save money. The vitamins can get expensive.

EAA Indians

[Kidd Sentencia]

If I have to test any of the above, I will go for the "pre-egg" system. All sounds worthy of a try, however, altering might get you something else, a duck...hehehe.

Kidd'n

[victe]

Here's my piece of "hearsay". Down my lane of memories in the 70's, A lady single nurse told me that to have males, the male should plunge it deeper. Her explanation is that the male sp will die easily in the acidic medium which the female tract is really is. Proof to this is look at the jr after the plunge and you will see that namumutla (pale) ito paglabas! hehehe!

Another one is that In backyard pig raising, you can have more males if the male hog will go to the female for the mate. The expalanation is that is the female is well rested and becoming more acidic is unlikely.


In some egg laying animals, the sex of the egg will depend on the incubation temperature that is: the lower incubation temperature results on males and the higher incubation temperature will result in females. This are scientific findings. There are hens that consistently produce more males that females or almost all males almost all the time. I suspect, if its not genetic, then it must have something to do with incubation temperature. Moreover, the eggs sex differentiation occurs on the fifth day of incubation. I have experented on it before using an incubator but have not gone into conclusion yet since by that time I didn't know yet that sex differentayion in egss is on the fifth day of incubation.


tsirs!


victe

This year I am breeding 16 sisters which are 3/4 Sweater and 1/8 Albany and all have spurs. So I will keep close account of stag to pullet ratio. To see if spured hens produce more stags.

[GoodWings]

I'd like to agree with those who raised the point that spurred hens are likely to produce more male progenies. I have one that produces an ave. of 9 M and 2 F but could be coincidental also since there is no study todate that asserts this fact. Perhaps for those who have the same hen with similar phenotype characteristic should keep us posted about their own observation. Also the reason suggested that spurred hens seem to have higher level of testosterone is a very sound logical explanation but again still a mooting point.

Originally posted by rk_opteryx:
Arnel,

Hello there!! Yes, I have heard about using spurred hens in the hope one would produce more stags in a clutch.

Before I go on, I wish to say that I am only expressing my own opinion and in no way disrespecting anyone whose beliefs are otherwise.

I suppose there has not been any documented record to prove that this theory holds true and until someone starts running a lot of testing and statistical data, this would only remain as such-- a theory. So I would understand perfectly well if you guys scoff at this idea. But on the other hand, there seems to be a logical reasoning behind this theory adopted by some who seem to be ahead in this game.

Spurs and the presence thereof, is a characteristic possessed by the male generally speaking. But with the hens or pullets having these spurs, could only mean that that male characteristic is passed on to them through the male hormone testosterone. And these spurred hens in turn could well be carrying more testosterone as compared to the ones without spurs. Some of the seasoned cockers in the sport also make mention that it is not unusual to see or hear these spurred hens crowing and showing more dominance over others.

Also, it has been brought up time and again that the cocks carry only the female chromosomes as opposed to the hen carrying both. And this they say is precisely the reason why a stag carries more influence coming from the hen.

After reading your post, Arnel, I visited this friend whose Rebel Grey hen had a clutch of 13 stags and 1 pullet last year. I saw the hen and she's spurred. Coincidence?? Well, it could very well be. But I can't wait till my friend breeds her to a different cock next time and see what happens.

I would be delighted to hear the outcome of this experiment of yours, Arnel.

On a last note, each and everyone of us has his own way of doing things, has his own beliefs, standards and the list goes on. I think this variety is what makes the sport even more interesting.

Take care everyone and may you all have a great season.

Hello RK,

Thanks for the great response. You know what, I was very intrigued by this idea as well. So when I got home, I looked at my breeding record this past year and tried to identify the hens that I used for breeding the previous year, knowing that my stags production were at an all time low. Guess what? 90% of them did not have spurs!!! I produced only about 30% stags last year compared to about 50%-60% the years before. Coincidence? maybe... no one can really tell. But for sure, I will be breeding more of the spurred ones this coming breeding season. Also, I do believe that spurred hens have more testosterone level than the ones without, maybe just maybe, this will help explain why they tend to produce more stags(???), or so it says. I even have one spurred Duke Hulsey hen that crowed, too. Funniest looking thing on my yard for she thinks she could crow with the best of them. Every morning she stands on top of my resting pen and crows just like a regular rooster. If anybody out there has experienced in this matter, with regards to producing more stags out of spurred hens or any other way, by any means, please share it with us. Your inputs will be gladly appreciated. Thanks!


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[micheal]

i think its about the same with people some family produces more males others produce more females. but usually my gamefowl produce half males and half females.

[bluelegged]

JC,

IKAW BA SI JULIUS CEASAR NA NAG TREAD NG " HOW TO PRODUCE MORE MALES ? "

KUNG IKAW NGA, MGA BABAE NAMAN NGAYON ANG PANG PAIKOT MO NG ULO NAMIN !!!!!

NAGTATANONG LANG.......

[knightz]

this thread is similar to JC in usapang manok...cockmates i have proven again what i did in the last season two broodhens lays 10 and 9 egss respectively.... the 1st one gives 8m/2f and the other one 8m/1f...

If you wanna try ...then try it...


no harm on trying....

[ligas_paka2006]

interesting

[RalSuBirds]

KIDD SENTENCIA - KFC chicken

I'm not sure but I believe it's the reverse case. Those leghorns and other strains for egg production are being sexed at day old and save the females for the purpose. Likewise, the meat type breeds are sexed at day old and the males are saved for the purpose since the male chicks grow faster and bigger. In such case, the breeder(s) can not pre-determine which sex will be produced more.

If it can be done to animals, that should have been a big issue
in the reseach world for humans.

[Hotspring]

You have to use incubator to do this. The proper temp for hatching is 99-100 right. Set the temp at around 101 for about 5-6 days. After that set temp back to normal which is about 99-100. The reason for this is because the first few days of an egg set to hatch still has no sex. This technique was explained to me by someone who tried it and was successful with it.
I have not tried this coz I hatch my eggs at Tony's.

I believe this method because there is a scientific explanation for this.

In the history of evolution if I remember it right. Birds came from reptiles. There are lots of things reptiles and birds have in comon. Like most reptiles lay eggs and birds feet have scales etc.
They say some reptiles taste like chicken.
In the reptile world particularly crocodiles. They leave their eggs and leave it to hatch for themselves. If the eggs were hatch at higher temp most babies are male, at a lower temp most babies will be females.
If this method works there really is a truth to the connection of bird and reptiles.

[RalSuBirds]

It would be nice to try. Try to raise the temperature over the range and hopefully they will hatch.

I'm not sure about the crocs but I know that they are incubated OUTDOOR (without the body temp of the mom) under a WIDE range of temp. But try.

Probably it has a little bit on genetics too. Some hens has never
produced over 50% males and some has always produced over 50% males.

[Rolei]

[Ilongongpalos]

In my experience last july w/c was the hottest month this summer (102 degrees) here in our area, my broodhen laid 12 eggs but only 8 of them hatched and they all came out to be males. Maybe the contributing factor was the temperature?

[wickedfr0g]

i havent tried that high temp control can raise male hatchings.
what i had tried are by switching broodcocks in one single
hens.

I have a cecile davies kelso hen breed by pure cecile kelso
only. i got atleast 1 to 3 male hatchings compare to females.

I tried my tornado black broodcock and produce, alot of
males and 1 female. again and again we tried our cecile davies
and still got same outcome.

Meaning to say, that i think your broodcock got some
important role in the mating process.

hope that helps a little..

[Darkwing]

Such thought provoking insights.

[kingdotix]

We have a lemon hen who, for 3 years now, never gave us a female offspring. I don't know why but all her offsprings were male even if we used different broodcocks over her. She has spurs. But some of our spurred hens do give us more females than males.

[Ilongongpalos]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ndbreed001.jpg
This is the hen i was talking about, got lost for over a week then came back and laid 12 eggs, 8 hatched all males. I called them my lost 'n found breed