Has anybody here ever risked and successfully fought a 50% Asil x 50% American fowl bloodline in slasher fight? If yes, what American bloodline have you used? I just received a pair of pure Asils and following the usual approach of only infusing 1/8 Asil or less to the resulting battle cock takes too long a time. Thanks for the info.

P.S.
I also remember having read a thread in here about ASILS but can't find it. Would someone be kind enough to point me to the right direction. Thanks again.

[don b]

Steel game Orientals can hold their own if they are well bred and selected. Graded, they should be fast enough to mix it up with the best American fowls. Headhunters would have to be graded more, as they were bred for naked heel fighting.
Steel game Orientals should be graded with well develop proven speed American fowls.

http://www.sabong.net.ph/forum/showt...hlight=asil%2A

[wildfoot]

Marsman,

I've been fooling around with Asils for a while and I can tell you that there are only TWO kinds of Asils a very GOOD one and a very BAD one, nothing in between. Make sure you start with a good game pair. I have fought 50/50 in Gaffs with little success winning 40-50%, that stat I imagine would be worse in the slasher, but 25% or 1/4 Asil and it's rock and roll.......This year I have them at 1/8th and yet to test them. One thing I found is that you should always mate the Asil C.O.C.K over the American Hens. I ditched the pure Asil Hen as nothing good came out of her(six breeding seasons to find out). I now only breed Asil cocks and cull all my graded hens. I also find that crossing them to a fast line like the Hatch or Roundhead is better than with my Kelso or blue crosses. Good luck and be patient..........


Wildfoot

[Ferdi]

Friend Wildfoot, your timimg is impeccable. I'm currently breeding my first grade, but with a pure Asil pullet to a Vizzard Grey stag. The Asil breeder told me to always breed to the pea-comb hen, which, in this case is the Asil pullet. He said that the Asil will pick up speed as it learns when sparred to a faster opponent. And you have to spar them often but only one buckle. I'll soon find out about the same time - next year.

[wildfoot]

Friend Ferdi,

I find that breeding on the hen side a bit frustrating as not only are they slower but I cant test for gameness. With Asils you never know how game they are in the knife or Gaff. In saying that my experience could be different to yours.....Sparring them may help....Let us know how yours turn out.

Wildfoot

[thundercock]

Any views about the Asil Sir Glenn?

[don b]

[glenn]

marsman 1,

Two years ago, I fought half asils and half thompson whites in a stag derby and came out one of three champions in a 100plus entry 6-stag derby.

And they were bred from asil on the hen side. You would think that these would be too slow for fast competition...and they were a bit slow but, they had a mean kick that killed the other stag before they got badly hurt.

wildfoot is right that there are very good Asils and there are very bad asils... You just have to find the good ones.

The trial and error in breeding these ugly but deadly warriors becomes more rewarding if you start out with the right asils.

Last year, I fought quarter Asils and did not do to good...Although I blame it on the wrong mating...because I came out with excellent quarter asils from a different mating that came from a younger batch that were too young to fight at the time.

This year, I hope to do better with the quarter asils from the other mating...and one-eighth asils that are also super sparrers but have never been tried in the pit..

Try to find Asils that have three spurs(heavy on the Black Sumatra blood) Also, ones with very heavy plummage in the tail composed mostly of sickle feathers...(the tail should look like hundreds of young napier grass bunch up together).

The type of Asils that I described above seem to be smarter, deadly accurate cutters, and do not waste their moves, they also prefer to hit the armpit area unlike the other types that like to neck wrestle or aim for the head and neck.

Anyway, there is no magic formula for coming up with good grades...you have to try it with your own stocks...practice makes perfect..

glenn

[thundercock]

Sir Glenn,

Any views on the fighting characteristics of an Indian asil? Thanks for your time Sir Glenn.... :-)

Thundercock

[wildfoot]

Ferdi/Glenn,

Which Asils are you using?


Wildfoot

[Ferdi]

Friend Wildfoot,
My Asil strain is a blend of the following bloodlines:
Indigo Asil (Sonatol)
Desai (Pakistan)
Kaptan

A breeder from Alabama have had these for 20 or so years. So, they're traits have been set and can be called as "Pure" strain.

This pullet won 1st in class in our first UGBA Gamefowl Show in Farmington, MO. I hatched out 2 more chicks just like this strain.

[dgrecuenco]

Picture of my Pure Atkinson asil broodrooster that I acquired direct from Jerry Lawrence in Texas. He breaks high, smart, fast , lots of power and very game. I have offspring from him pure and crossed and Im planning to show him in the hackfight there in PI later this year.

[dgrecuenco]

Picture of my pure atkinson asil hen in my farm in lipa City, Batangas.

[filamforks]

Nice looking asils there dgrecuenco. What kind of American fowl breeds well with them?

filamforks

[wildfoot]

That is the prettiest Asil Hen that I've ever seen. Does she have any American blood?

Below is a link of my Asil Broodcock, He is fast PURE but is a single stroker.....that is what i meant by slow, at 1/4 they become multiple shufflers and retain the accuracy of the Asils.


http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/sho...hp?photo=11570

Wildfoot

[dgrecuenco]

I got my pure Atkinson ASil direct from Jerry Lawrence in texas. He is a multiple shuffler and has a tough body like the true asils. According to him the atkinson asils is a combination of different asils they are called steel game asils.

[Ferdi]

bro dgrecuenco, you have a nice looking pair of Asils too.

wildfoot, your Asil sure has some station on him bro. I don't think that there is any American blood in my Asils at all. Maybe Indigo might have put some Spanish blood into them a while back though. That's probably the reason why her tail seems to fan out a bit.

I am from Quezon City, i interested in buying a pair of asils, stag and pullet. Any one here selling Asils?

[banderado84]

aseel links...


http://www.aseellovers.20m.com/index.html

[glenn]

Wildfoot,

My asils are a blend from a black rampuri hen and a Golden Brazilian Cock that was imported from California. Some came out red some came out blue and some gold...The blues and the golds came out big and tall and like the brazilian but the reds came out smaller and fought different more towards the rampuri style..they also came with three spurs on each leg.

They fight single stroke as pures but when graded to one quarter to one-eights they have a more wicked shuffle than the American fowl i use to grade them.

What I mean by wicked is that they tend to shuffle with no bill hold and their blows are much more powerful.

glenn

[Ferdi]

Here's what the chick looks like at about a week old.

[Tbucks]

I sure do like my Hamlin Sonatols

[wildfoot]

I think I know the Asils you are talking about.

Just a bit of Trivia for you. Did you know that the Thompson Whites that you crossed them into already has 1/8 Oriental blood ? Someone posted the game strains history on here and you will find that the Hens used to come up with the Thompson Whites came from Australia.

Thompson whites were made up of 1/2 Australian Pit game Hens and the pit game hens are very heavy in Oriental blood (50%or more).

The guy that bred the hens that went into the Thompson whites lives about 1 1/2 hrs north of me.

Another bit of Trivia, your Thompson Whites are related to the "Malaking Pulo". If you read Tahor, SC Floro was mentioned in there as one of the Pioneers of breeding in the Philippines. Simeon and Gus Floro started out their breeding program in the 60's-70's with the same Australian hens that went into the Thompson Whites which they crossed into some of Yancee Harris' of Texas-The outcome is the "Malaking Pulo". (this is also why the term "Texas" by pinoys for American bred fowl as the early American breeds came from "Texas") A favourite of the late Don Amado Araneta who was their biggest buyer at the time. When Gus Migrated to Australia he sold all of them to an Engineer (His name escapes me) in Batangas who released them into an Island - Hence the name "Malaking Pulo".

I better stop before I get off the topic. Till next time.


Wildfoot

Hi, mates. Thanks for the useful inputs. Just got another pair of Asils. They were from Basilan as per my source. Still young at three months old but already tall and mean looking. With not much info on this pair, would someone here be able to tell how Asils from Basilan perform? Thanks again.

[wildfoot]

What you have is "Parawakan", I had them in the 80's. "Para" meaning "For" and "Uwakan" meaning spar or naked heel fighting.

Although they are part of the "Malayoid Family" of Fowl they have not been primarily bred for "STEEL", be careful. My Parawakan's whilst a good cutter... were NOT HIT GAME, some were PECK GAME and some when cut went looking for the fire exit. Its hard to judge your bird sitting behind this computer but I would look for something that is STEEL Game.

Wildfoot

[Tbucks]

The Hamlin Sonatol that I got from Edwin of Ronin Island Gamefarm are "steelgame" they are also body cutters. Edwin claims they are the fastest Asils he has ever owned and he has owned quite a few. I have some 1/2 bloods that I hope to test next year in the sk. They came from McLean and BlackGray/Walton Hatch hens. I think they can compete at 1/2 bloods in the sk and gaff. I think you may need to look at them at 1/4 bloods for LK. Edwin does fight the LK so you might get ahold of him.

i love my hamlin sonatals, i also have some bush asils that are black and run a wee bit smaller then the hamlins, but work awesome in the grade.

ya'll need to understand that asils take TIME and if you dont want to spend the time then go on with something else

also remember, the RULE is that usually the battle cocks will fight in the MOTHERS style so breeding to an asil hen will give you the fighting style of HER father, usually.

also, ask yourself EXACTLY what you want from the bird (asil) before you spend any money or time on this

fight with honor always

jd

[ligas_paka2006]

nice

[Draven51501]

Originally Posted by dgrecuenco

Picture of my Pure Atkinson asil broodrooster that I acquired direct from Jerry Lawrence in Texas. He breaks high, smart, fast , lots of power and very game. I have offspring from him pure and crossed and Im planning to show him in the hackfight there in PI later this year.

it's been several years and i was wondering how your asil crosses did, dgrecuenco if you don't mind sharing..

thanks!