[Kidd Sentencia]

Let's keep this site interesting...post your ideal feeds and other conditioning tricks.

Feeds - lots in the gamefowl store, such as Sagupaan, Ganador, etc. not this type of feed, the ones unique. Me, I have fed fish in addition to "conditioner" feed, yes, cooked fish meat-only, tuna type to my cocks in the early 90's...great success in San Fernando/Bauang, La Union area. Rationale: protein without much fats.

Conditioning Aid: Mosquito net, yes, I designed my cages so a custom-made kulambo can be easily installed at night. Imagine them mosquitoes feasting on your beloved gamefowl...better invest a bit.

Sabong is not cheap...
Kidd

[GoldenDragon]

Hello !!!!

correct, sabong is not cheap, if I did not have my farms and fowls to think off I would be wearing all those fantastic diamonds, going to the best dancing place,eating in the best restaurants, going to hongkong and america and europe....hayyy !!! buhay !!!

but I would not be as happy as I am.

when I see those new born chicks... when I see those baby stags in mock fights... when I see those young stag in their new coat of feathers and looking so gorgeous and handsome
(who needs to look at men ???)

when I see them fight in the stag derby win or lose... when I see them fight as full pledged cocks.. specially beating those in the big league...

to know ... to feel that they belong to me that I raise them, that I bred them...

what could be more rewarding ????

ingat cheers and mabuhay ...

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[edwin]

For me,the best thing i ever did to my chickens are the trees.Just imagine your self in the philippines during summer,average temp.92-96 degrees F.For us it's okey,we can go inside the house drink ice cold beer,aircon,halo-halo and chika -chika like erap.Pero sa manok teepee lang,but now i make sure my birds water is change 3 times a day
during summer,and it's also a safety issue
because they can also checked loose tie cords.
Take care of the caretaker too,baka mainggit sila sa manok magti-teepee rin sila lol!!!!

kidd,i still cannot put that icon smily.
that's the reason why i went to nursing
maraming babae saka walang computer bull **** lol!!!!
tambak1

Kidd and Princess,

hayyy.... life with chickens is hard, princess is right, you can't go on vacation, coz, you're always worried about your chickens, you can't buy diamond coz, you're always worried about the expensive feeds, medications and vitamins for the chickens, but GD there's nothing to worry about her she's loaded of P's & $'s. When I feed my chikens in the morning with 2 feet of snow during winter time, I always swear lintik, hijo de puts... sana sa pilipinas na lang ako mag manok meron pa akong katulong sa pagpapakain nang manok, tapos naiisip ko naman hindi puede maliliit pa ang mga anak ko at takot sa bahay dahil wala kaming kapit bahay, pero pag medyo malaki na diyan din ang bagsak ko.

Kidd, I like to use sardines every other day, lean meat and beef liver during my keep, it works very good for me.

Happy sabong to all... especially to Ecoy Gomez of Iloilo, salamat sa lupa na gin baligya mo sa akon, siling sang utod ko guapo kono kaayo sa bukid gid perfect for chicken, see you at spring. Please let me know if you change your e-mail addy.

lagon

[Kidd Sentencia]

Hard facts yan Edwin, talagang ang farm ay hard work, hard cash...talagang personal dedication ang kailangan, hindi ito pwedeng mabayaran.

Maraming mapupulot na kapaki-pakinabang sa mga posts dito...lalo na sa new and old beginners. Kahit na yung mga beteranong amerkano, trabaho ang sinasabi: deworm, delouse, good balanced feed, enough room to move around...a good healthy cock will practice good exercise habits, so give it a place well suited for such.

To Oscar G: I emailed you but it was returned undeliverable, kulang yata ng postage. Email me uli para hindi masayang yung na-type ko ng answer...hehehe.

parang biyernes na bukas, you guys heard of place in London called Soho? hehehe.

Kidd

[Kidd Sentencia]

Pareng Lagon, long taym nosi...how are u my friend. Narinig mo yung sigaw ni GD ano...hehehe. Kami ni pareng Edwin giniginaw, pero matigas pa rin...yung ano.

Yes, beef liver is also good for any sickly or mahinang kumain na manok...siempre deworm muna.

Kidd

[RARAVEZ]

MAGANDANG ARAW, MGA KUMPADRE. THE ONLY THING I CAN CONTRIBUTE IS I FEED MY GAMEFOWL MYSELF WHENEVER I AM HOME, AND THE KEEP I ALWAYS MAKE SURE HAVE A QUAKER OATS. ALL NATURAL FEED, HENS LIKE FISH GUTS, SO ROOSTER, TOO. MABUHAY. GOOD LUCK TO ALL.

Someone very knowleadgeable in raising fighting cocks once told me that in raising these magnificent birds always 'do things that are natural.'

Give them an environment that is natural to them, some sun, grass and lots of shade, water, ample supply of it, exercise that conforms to the natural movement of the birds and best of all feed that is natural for birds and fowls; like cereals,grains as well as supplements that are required by the fowls body but could not get it because they are kept in pens or tied in cords.

Thats when I stopped adding skimmed milk, calf mana and dog food to my feed mixture and I had good results, the mass and weight of my fowls body decreased to more proportionate levels and their speed improved without greatly affecting their power.

Hope this helps.

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[RARAVEZ]

MAGANDANG ARAW, MGA KUMPADRES. MOULTING SEASON THE TIME FOR EVERYBODY, GETTING A SIESTA, GAMEFOWL ON REST, POCKETTES REST. RAINY DAYS. CHANGES OF ENVIROMENT. IT IS TIME TO GO TO NICE PLACE BECAUSE MOST OF THE NICE PLACES ARE ON SUMMER SEASON. GAMEFOWL, TELLING YOU TO GO, TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY,HAVE A VACATION, AFTER SUMMER SEASON, RAINY SEASON, SEE ME AND WE WILL HAVE A FIGHT. RAINY SEASON FEED MORE PERCENTAGE OF WHOLE CORN.MABUHAY.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Pare Raravez, turn-off of yung CAPS LOCK mo...why? Shouting daw yan and it looks more professional with lower and upper case...imagine your report being in all caps...hehehe.

Kidd

[RARAVEZ]

MAGANDANG ARAW, MGA KUMPADRES.KIDD, now I do appreciate, for being professional, this is our sport, our hobby, we have to be. because there are some sabungero, na pros sila sa paggawa ng makalalamang sila. Here, this is the best medium we can start everything. Why we cannot. Patas, magsimula timbangan hanggang sentensiya.Masarap at maligaya kung ang panalo mo ay patas hanggang sa sintensiya. At masarap din umuwi at matulog na ang pagkatalo mo ay patas, sapagka't ibinigay ng manok mo at sinuklian ang ginawa mong pag-aruga sa kanya magsimula sisiw hanggang sa kanyang pagiging magiting na bayani. Isipin na lamang na, tlc magsimula sisiw. Ang kasabihan nga, pagdating mo galing sa trabaho, sa inyong bahay, ang unang tanong ay, "KUMAIN NA BA ANG MGA TINALI, KO", ang pamilya ni walang kumusta at walang giliw na ngiting pasalubong.Once in a derby, somewhere in the south of Subic Bay, the brother own the rooster, and his BRO, finance his rooster, one of his fight, they make advantage, and they won, I asked this fellow, how do you feel, are you happy.He looked at me, just like a basang sisiw. I told him, know that I know what is happening. And I went home. Be fair and be honest to your fellow.And you will be happy and respected. Pang FAMAS ba itong kuwento ko. MABUHAY.

[jlbs72]

hirap talaga mag-alaga ng manok... when im in high school till college, may alaga akong isang grey at isang blues. Before going to school, pumupunta pa ako sa bahy ng lola ko para pakainin ang manok ko, we dont have enough space sa bahay for my chicken. kaya once i enter the gate, yung mga manok ko nag-iingay na. alam agad na nandyan na ang amo nila, he...he...he... hirap lang di ka puwede mamasyal dahil kailangan pakainin mo sa oras ang mga manok mo. Kaya i agree with you guys na its very hard to own a cocks, even my uncle don't want to give me one to take care, kasi sayang lang daw ang manok pag wala kang time para alagaan ito. Kaya nga till now wala akong alaga kahit isa pero i'm planning to have one... Edwin, magkano ba ang isang pullets, he...he...he... I've learn a lot from your posts. kaya nga hindi na ako kayang bolahin ng mga matatanda sa amin na nagsasabong, ho...ho...ho... Sabi nga nila sa kin dati, isang linggo lang ang conditioning, basta bigyan mo ng gamot at ipahinga mo ng tatlong araw, oks na yon, sabay laban, Ngayon di ako nagtataka kung bakit lagi silang talo, kala ko di galing manok nila, yon pala amo ang problema, hi...hi...hi...

Keep on posting Cyberfriends.

God Bless !

[Kidd Sentencia]

Yeah, talagang mahirap at kailangan ang oras at tiyaga sa manok. Yung bayaw kong doc, natural-born sabungero, eh matagal ng huminto sa pag-aalaga ng nokma, pinapa-alaga na lang niya. Trabisiya na lang siya kadalasan, duon na lang daw siya pipili ng "manok niya"...me katwiran, but that's his.

Kidd

jlbs72,

mahirap talaga mag alaga ng manok, tingnan mo si kidd pumunta na lang sa UK kasi ayaw na mag alaga ng manok, torpedo na lang ang inaalagaan, sabi nga sa akin liver daw is good for sick chicken at mahinang kumain, they only need is a small slice of liver every other day, pagmahina kumain ang manok bigyan nang b12, pagmaysakit naman bigyan ng antibiotic. ups! sana wag magalit ang kidd! he.he.he.ha.ha..

[Kidd Sentencia]

Hehehe...nasa UK ako kasi kung ayaw ko, kulong ako. Pag hindi katarantaduhan, hindi galit Kidd siempre...hehehe. Pare, tama yang sinabi mo...b-12 at anti-biotic. Yung sabi kong liver for sickly eh kung on the way to recovery na, siempre cure muna...just like a human kung galing sa sakit to recover kailangan good healthy foods. Kaso sa culture sa atin or kahirapan (minsan) ang tao kung meron lang sakit pinapakain ng mansanas, ubas, etc. bakit pa eh walang panglasa yung tao. Sa mga manok namin so far over 17 years ng walang sakit, number one priority prevention...vaccines. At kung minsan nga, pinagsisinelas namin ng sinelas ng farm yung bisita, lalo na kung merong known disease floating around. Iba na ang sigurista, kaysa maglaho ang matagal ng pinaghirapan. Siempre, yung karamihan meron lang up to 5-20 cocks on the backyard kaya they have to salvage every cock they could.

hindi maramot,
Kidd

[Camarines]

Ang dapat gawin sa manok na ilalaban ay one month pre-keep para masanay sa ipakakain mo at ng hindi maimpatso. Ang the best feed ay parrot feed pero masyadong mahal at sobrang dami ng mani at sili. Ang 25 lbs bag ay $14 mahigit, pero sankatutak na amino acid nito kaya mahusay para sa manok. Pakainin mo rin ng fruit salad for treat, kung walang saging o papaya. Tatawanan ninyo ito dahil ganoon din ako noong una, pero ng malaman ko na mahusay pala sa manok gumaya na rin ako. Maige rin may halong dog food ang pagkain ng manok iyong dry, pero kung wala maski na cat food na tulad ng 9 lives na beef with rice or lamb with rice lalakas na ang mga manok ninyo. Pero ibigay mo lamang ng once a week. Conditioning aid ay B12 tablet 500 mg. Pero kailangan muna na purgahin ang manok sa pre-keep para siguradong walang bulate ng hindi masayang ang mga masasarap na pagkain.

first is proper cock selection:choose the most active and has voracious apetite.napakagaang i-kondisyon ang ganitong klase ng manok.with these two criterias medyo nakakalamang ka na.i choose battle fowl during feeding time.yuong talagang maganang kumain ang pinipili ko.kung bibili ka ng cocks sa isang farm dapat nandoon ka na bago magumpisa ang feeding.choose the weight between 2.2 to 2.3 kilos.ang timbang na ito ang okey na okey dahil kailangan mo ang extra weight margin.dahil sa rigid training ay siguradong mag-lo-lost sila ng timbang para maabot yuong sinasabing fighting weight.second is delousing and deworming[img]//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]urgahin mo ng ct williams.i-delouse mo ng diluted malathion.third:injecting iron and vit.b-complex.don`t forget vit. a and d.fourth:use clean grains and clean water.cod liver oil is useful.fifth:forget the hokus pokus strychnine injection.anabolika won`t help.

use the rotation method.prepare the different necessary pens.first:fly pen with adjustable roost pole.roost pole big enough to clamp his toes properly.this is important.roostpole is neither too thick nor too thin.cover the flypenwall with 2 1/2 feet board,from ground up.that force your cock to fly on roost pole to see what`s happening outside the pen.the ground should bbe well padded with fine sand and litter of anything.second:the running pen.third:scratchpen with ground covered with enough cornshucks to stimulate proper scratching.of course don`t forget to throw some grains as reward for their scratching effort.fourth:coolingpen.should be positioned in area in cockhouse that is quiet,cool and comfortable and suitable for resting fowl after hard work.fifth:bench that is padded well to cushioned your fowl`s feet during hard fast work.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Great post...bastaikaw...bastaikaw talaga merong laman lagi...kudos!

Hanggang sabong vacations na lang muna tayo, until we say "for good" di ba Jrtras...Goodwings?

I'm dreaming, pagkatapos ng trabaho sa farm, pahinga sa silong ng mangga, nakaupo nakataas ang paa. Ice cold SMB maya-maya, gulay at isda sa tanghalian, tapos sa hapon kung ano-ano na.

simple goal of mine,
Kidd

[Rigolleto]

Bastaikaw,

You are correct, the size of the roosting pole is very important, what size do you suggest? I use 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" diameter poles. When I was still raising fighting cocks, I modified some of the roosting poles on our flypens. Pen one had a pole that does not rotate but swings, pen 2 had pole that rotates but does not swing and pen 3 had a pole that not only swings but rotates as well. I got his idea from watching too many kung-fu movies when I was in high school, you know how the hero practices before his final revenge against the bad guys. I will start each cock on pen 1 and keep it there until it does not have any difficulty in landing and staying on the pole, then to pen 2 until I see the same results and then on to pen 3. Very few cocks can land and stay on the pole when taken to pen 3 outright, but if they started from pen 1, then pen 2, they will settle down on pen 3 fairly quickly. Muscle memory will take over and they will not even think about the way how they will land and stay on them. I noticed that after being trained in these 3 pens, they fly more gracefully and land with a purpose, not just drop straight down. I think this setup strengthens their leg and wing muscles and it also enhances their sense of balance. I have read that the Spanish have a similar training method. They use a fairly thick rope and they swing it while the cock is perched on it.

Rigolleto

[victe]

I think 1.5 inch roost is just fine. beyond this, those chicken who miss the grab would tend to make tukod thier wings during the landing and walking along the roost. Thus, their wings is prone to damage.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Enhancers and or "drugs"...those who have used them have mixed results. I have mentioned, you don't need them if you are satisfied with your stock, but if you feel it can help you...do as you please. This is just my advise. Use it not on the keep only...you have to use it from the start, of whoever among your cocks will respond positively. Use it continuously up to the fight day...say within a 30-day period...watch your dosage carefully. Biggest mistake about these enhancers are when the cocker uses it only from the last 3 days...I say bull. If you expect your cock to perform good with enhancers, you have to condition them with it...make them familiar with the "high" feeling. Giving it in the last 3 days will make your cock a "stranger in the highland."

Kidd

[wabion]

When the cock is used to medecines or regular vitamin supplements they offer no strange reaction to "enhancers" and they are really hard to die, always giving that extra peck. Sa mga tupada, i feed my nokma in the last week with a mixture of cooked rice, non-fat evaporated milk, quaker oat and pasas. I took this feeding from a well known american conditioner. I tried it in the middle east and ayos lang naman.
Cheers!!!1

[victe]

There's a new formulation of milk in the market called lactose free milk in powder form. I noticed it when I came across an article a few weeks earlier from a known veterinarian that chicken cannot utilze lactose in their digestive system and that lactose could contribute to stomach upset to babies and as well as chicken?
I tried it and oh boy!!! masarap. hehehe!

[Kidd Sentencia]

Originally posted by wabion:
When the cock is used to medecines or regular vitamin supplements they offer no strange reaction to "enhancers" and they are really hard to die, always giving that extra peck. Sa mga tupada, i feed my nokma in the last week with a mixture of cooked rice, non-fat evaporated milk, quaker oat and pasas. I took this feeding from a well known american conditioner. I tried it in the middle east and ayos lang naman.
Cheers!!!1

Wabion, Your first statement is impossible to apply in all cocks. If a cock is hit fatally in the killing zones, no amount of enhancers can help it. On the feed you mentioned, minus the milk, I've used that in 1984s with testosterone hormone I bought from the states. The package came with accompanying "pre- and keep." We had good success in the start as it suited well for our high-flying excellent cutters back then. I can partly credit the hormone shots for 3 3-cock championships (Angeles, Mabalacat, and Calasiao) but when we start facing against "abangs" our high-flyers started to show their weaknesses. Later on, the testosterone we were using disappeared in the advertisements on the magazines. When we shifted to Testrone Forte, we had mixed successes. On a 2-cock derby in San Jacinto, our first cock physically "bugbog" our opponent, but with one lucky fatal shot, we lost...that was less than 2 minutes of fight. On our second fight, it went to drag, about 8 mins (I taped these fights), we won but our cock did not make it out of the ruweda alive. Our losing opponent (stopped pecking) obviously ran out of battery but lived. I credited the Testrone for the long endurance in the drag for that one. When we used it on our one-year olds, fast attacking-shuffling type, there I started having second thoughts about enhancers. Mixed results, the unpleasant ones are being too aggressive, off the mark shots, unintelligent attacks or carelessness, and sometimes balancing problems.

As per your experience in the middle east, since I pulled a 2-year diplomatic duty in Riyadh, 1995-97, I've seen some of the types of cocks they fight there, surely, on the ones I saw, they can use a lot of enhancers. Not to belittle the cocks in middle east, certainly they are no match against the PI nor the US...not counting tupada against derby.

Cheers!
Kidd

[wabion]

Wala akong say KIDD. Sa toto-o lang nakakasira ng manok ang mga enhancers. Dahil sa extreme desire na manalo, dito napupunta, binibigyan ng kung anu-ano ang manok. In fact sa mga big-time breeder na sumasali sa big-time derbies you seldom hear this. It is because they all have the resources and facilities to produce good qualities of gamecocks. They can import good seedfowls, they have vetinerarians to take care of the health of their chickens from chicks up to fighting age, they have very large space of land for ranging that enhance their growth and so on and so forth. It pays to join this venue to hear and learn so much from the contributors. Tuloy ang sabong matalo man o manalo.....pero maganda talagang manalo.
Ang mga manok ngayon sa Middle East ay marami na ring galing sa Pinas. Iyon nga walang mga feedings dito na mabibili katulad ng sa atin. Isa pa, ang lupa at surroundings ay hindi talaga suitable sa pag-aalaga ng gamecock. Napaka-init at walang damo, kaya pangit at marupok ang balahibo after moulting. Bukod pa dito marami rin ditong magnanakaw ng manok!!! Iyong ibang tao dito inuulam ang sasabungin ngik.

Cheers!!!!

hindi pa rin maikakaila na maramin pa ring naniniwala sa nga cocking shortcuts na nagpapangako ng instant success.tingnan mo na lang sa lahat ng babasahin ng cocking magazine na ang puro laman ay hokus pokus wonderdrug na magpapabagsik ng manok at para tumagal sa dragfight.parang sinasabing pupwede kang bumili ng manok sa palengke at iniksiyunan mo lamang nito ay pupwede nang itapat kahit kanino.imagine that na sa loob ng tatlong linggong programa under sa treatment ng gamot na ito ay mayroon ka nag invincible cock na siyam ang buhay at parang uzi kung humataw.isipin mo na lang kung ano ang kahihinatnan mo sa pag-gamit ng 14 day keep kapag nakalaban mo ang taong gumamit ng 365-day keep.maaaring makatsamba ka ng isa o dalawa pero sa mga susunod as suradong sa kaniya na.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Curiosity killed the cat, este cock pala. Siempre, it's only normal for people to try some magic formula. Like they said, hindi mo natikman, ayaw mo na? But tama ka Bastaikaw, nothing beats the 365-day keep.
On our Testrone Forte, since we turned our backs against its use for our cocks, we gave our remaining "drugs" to somebody who has a "farm" too in return for some tie cords which he was producing...swap ika. Guess what, this guy was so pleased with the Testrone Forte, must have won more fights, came back to us and asked "meron pa ba no'n?" Well, must have suited his cocks...

Kidd

[Kidd Sentencia]

Wabion, thanks and cheers! Mas mabuti siguro diyan sa Bahrain kaysa KSA...merong alak, yung tunay...hehehe. On one of the Hajj(s) that I was in Saudi, after my family was evacuated due to the bombings, me and my friends went R&R there. Quite expensive drinks at the hotels...we had lots of fun too...one very funny, that I have to reserve it come 3 Feb if somebody asked me for it.
But since it's Hajj, yung mga Pinoy entertainers (music bands), nag-hajj din, nag-si-uwian sa pinas...kaya bitin.

Yung mga manok mo diyan, alam mo na, supplement mo na lang ang fats and greens needed. Good luck!

Kidd

I agree with the general concensus of this thread. There are no shortcuts to proper care and maintenance of gamefowl. I personally do not use hormones or stimulants during the conditioning period. I do use vitamin-mineral supplements, fruits and veggies though.