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Old June 30th, 2007, 01:49 AM   #1
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Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Doc maganda gabi po sainyo at sa lahat na kasabong dito sa sabong net. Doc nahalata ko minsan pang tao ang binibigay nyo na gamot sa manok, ano po yung formula sa pag compute ng dosage from human to game fowl. Nagtanong po ako para may pag babasihan at makatulong na rin sa iba pa natin mga sabugero.

Maraming salamat po..................
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Old July 1st, 2007, 09:42 AM   #2
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Doc maganda gabi po sainyo at sa lahat na kasabong dito sa sabong net. Doc nahalata ko minsan pang tao ang binibigay nyo na gamot sa manok, ano po yung formula sa pag compute ng dosage from human to game fowl. Nagtanong po ako para may pag babasihan at makatulong na rin sa iba pa natin mga sabugero.

Maraming salamat po..................
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Old July 1st, 2007, 10:04 AM   #3
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Sweet and friendly:

Suggestion lang itong sa akin baka makatulong din.... Kay doc pa rin ang tamang kasagutan....

Anyway, sabi ng kaibigan ko na veterinarian din.... parang trial and error din yan, very obvious na yong formula at dosage for humans ay di hamak na mas mataas kumpara sa manok... So, hindi dapat itong ibigay ng buo sa manok mo.... Besides, may mga vitamins din na hindi angkop sa katawan ng manok tulad ng iron and thiamine kung sobra ang dosage na maibigay mo.... Halimbawa, based on experience, mga tabletang pang tao gaya ng centrum, lefortan, at stresstab ay binibigay ko at half lamang every other day.... Gaya ng sinasabi ko, trial and error yan... Tandaan mo lng kong anong mga vitamins ang d dapat sobrang maibigay ng manok mo... Puede rin, tingnan mo ang formula ng mga vitaminang pang manok.... Ilista mo kung anong minerals and vitamins ang madalas ibinibigay sa mga manok at sa anong dosage dapat... From there, malalaman mong icompute kong paano mo hahatiin ang gamot pang tao.... 1/2 or 1/3 lng ba ang dapat ibigay sa manok mo....
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 03:34 PM   #4
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Ang mga nagsisimulang magmanok ay may tendency na magbigay ng higit sa pangangailangan ng manok. Ang suggestion ko ay ibigay lamang ang minimum daily requirement.
Hindi ko mabibigay ang eksaktong kalkulasyon dahil ito ay depende sa gamot na balak mong ibigay. Mas maayos kung personal na konsultasyon ang ginawa mo o dalawin mo ako sa Academy para maipaliwanag ko ito ng lubusan. Pero bibigyan ko pa rin kayo ng pointers kung gagamitin ninyo ang human preparation drug para sa inyong manok:
  • Pagdating sa Vitamin B12 injectable na 1000mcg/ml at ang timbang ng manok ay 1.8kg to 2.1kg, safe magbigay ng 0.3 cc to 0.5 cc
  • Pagdating sa Vitamin caplets/tablet, 1/4 tablet every other day.
  • Pagdating sa Cod Liver oil, nasa 200iu-300iu once a week
  • Pagdating sa Wheatgerm oil, nasa 200iu-300iu once a week

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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:47 PM   #5
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

maraming salamat Doc at Mari pua
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:58 PM   #6
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Ang mga nagsisimulang magmanok ay may tendency na magbigay ng higit sa pangangailangan ng manok. Ang suggestion ko ay ibigay lamang ang minimum daily requirement.
Hindi ko mabibigay ang eksaktong kalkulasyon dahil ito ay depende sa gamot na balak mong ibigay. Mas maayos kung personal na konsultasyon ang ginawa mo o dalawin mo ako sa Academy para maipaliwanag ko ito ng lubusan. Pero bibigyan ko pa rin kayo ng pointers kung gagamitin ninyo ang human preparation drug para sa inyong manok:
  • Pagdating sa Vitamin B12 injectable na 1000mcg/ml at ang timbang ng manok ay 1.8kg to 2.1kg, safe magbigay ng 0.3 cc to 0.5 cc
  • Pagdating sa Vitamin caplets/tablet, 1/4 tablet every other day.
  • Pagdating sa Cod Liver oil, nasa 200iu-300iu once a week
  • Pagdating sa Wheatgerm oil, nasa 200iu-300iu once a week

DOC, GALING NYO TALAGA! Sana madaming Vet Doc gaya nyo, generous sa knowledge.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 01:28 AM   #7
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Doc, paano po kung ang nabili ay 5500mcg/ml? ano po ang dosage na pagbigay sa 1.8 to 2.1 kg na manok? Maraming Salamat po. Cezar
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Old July 6th, 2007, 03:44 AM   #8
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Doc, paano po kung ang nabili ay 5500mcg/ml? ano po ang dosage na pagbigay sa 1.8 to 2.1 kg na manok? Maraming Salamat po. Cezar

UP ko lang para makita ni doc..............................................
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Old July 6th, 2007, 07:44 AM   #9
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Mahirap tantsahin ang gamot na ganyan at hindi magandang gamitin sa conditioning. Pero kung gagamitin mo ito for maintenance...the safe dose is half of 0.1cc.
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Old July 7th, 2007, 01:19 PM   #10
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maraming salamat doc, doc tanong ko lang ano yung pamalit sa rubramin mahirap hanapin yung rubramin........... Thx doc and god bless
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Old July 7th, 2007, 01:29 PM   #11
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

DOC,

VITA-JEC® B-COMPLEX WITH CYANO PLUS Injection

Active Ingredient(s): Each ml. of sterile aqueous solution contains:

Cyanocobalamin (B12) - 1,000 mcg
Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) - 12.5 mg
Niacinamide - 12.5 mg
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6) - 5.0 mg
d-Panthenol - 5.0 mg
Riboflavin (B2) (as Riboflavin 5 phosphate sodium) - 2.0 mg
with benzyl alcohol 1.5% v/v as preservative, ammonium sulfate 0.1%.

Ito Doc TD okey lang gamitin ang B-complex na ito sa manok? Yung mga ibang B vitamens na naka saad sa taas ay hindi po ba makaka sira sakanila katulad ng Thiamine na 12.5 mg at iba pang naka saad? Maraming salamat po!

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Old July 8th, 2007, 10:59 PM   #12
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl



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May effect ba yung mataas na ph level ng manok sa absorption ng human preparation na vitamins? May mga clinical papers po ba tungkol dito. Interesado po ako. salamat
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Old July 8th, 2007, 11:30 PM   #13
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

doc matanong ko lang, advisable ba na gagamit ng human drugs para sa manok samantalang meron naman gamot na gawa talaga para sa kanila? ano ba ang epekto
pagka gumamit ka ng human drugs? mas gaganda kaya ang performance ng manok?
matagal ko nang gustong linawin ito doc, so please paki-linaw lang po.
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Old July 10th, 2007, 12:34 AM   #14
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Opo, tama si dok.. Yung minimum daily requirements lang ang tamang ibigay sa manok kc pag sobrang taas ng dosis sayang lang ang gamot ilalabas lang yan ng katawan ng ating nokis as ipot.. ngek! magastos pa diba? Kya gnito nlng gngawa ko compute ko ung dosage ng gamot na pang tao compared dun sa timbang nung tao na iinom pati na yung age nya and then convert ko dun sa timbang ng manok and gulang ng ating manok. tama po ba? pls correct me if i am wrong.. thanks
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Old July 13th, 2007, 11:38 PM   #15
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Doc Teddy, paano ho ba ang paggamit ng B50 vitamins? Ano ang epekto nito sa manok?
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Old July 17th, 2007, 12:56 PM   #16
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Doc Teddy, paano ho ba ang paggamit ng B50 vitamins? Ano ang epekto nito sa manok?


Up ko lang
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Old July 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM   #17
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doc. kailan mo kaya i-post yung nakaraan seminar kasi kasama yung brother ko. july batch.
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Old July 17th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #18
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

sorry mga boosing mali yung nasabi ko. pero itong topic na human drugs to gamefowl matagal ko nang ginagamit ang mga vitamins pang tao pati for conditioning iuse B-100 caplets twice a week for 3 weeks bago ilaban. try it uwill see the diff, of ur cocks.
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Old July 20th, 2007, 02:05 AM   #19
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

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DOC,

VITA-JECŪ B-COMPLEX WITH CYANO PLUS Injection

Active Ingredient(s): Each ml. of sterile aqueous solution contains:

Cyanocobalamin (B12) - 1,000 mcg
Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) - 12.5 mg
Niacinamide - 12.5 mg
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6) - 5.0 mg
d-Panthenol - 5.0 mg
Riboflavin (B2) (as Riboflavin 5 phosphate sodium) - 2.0 mg
with benzyl alcohol 1.5% v/v as preservative, ammonium sulfate 0.1%.

Ito Doc TD okey lang gamitin ang B-complex na ito sa manok? Yung mga ibang B vitamens na naka saad sa taas ay hindi po ba makaka sira sakanila katulad ng Thiamine na 12.5 mg at iba pang naka saad? Maraming salamat po!

Hindi ko pa nasubukan ang brand na ito pero sa mga active ingredients na sangkap nito, it would be safe to use this as part of their maintenance or during pre-con.
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Old July 20th, 2007, 02:32 AM   #20
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May effect ba yung mataas na ph level ng manok sa absorption ng human preparation na vitamins? May mga clinical papers po ba tungkol dito. Interesado po ako. salamat
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Basing on what i've learned from various "Pharmacology Books" ...vitamins in particular, reacts to certain digestive acids before it can be absorbed into their system. Anyway, I don't like to be technical about this because it might bore the readers...... but human preparation vitamins are formulated adjusted to our normal pH.
Chickens pH are acidic in nature and this would result for some of the vitamins components to disentigrate, resulting in incomplete absorption.


Minsan, ang akala natin ay naipapasok natin ang lahat ng binibigay natin sa manok, iyon pala ay nasasayang lang at hindi na-aabsorb lahat. This is true when it comes to vitamins..pero iba ang kaso ng Fat soluble Vitamins at Antibiotics.
Iyan ang dahilan kaya mas gusto ko ang injectables kasi direkta na kagad sa kanilang sistema.
Pagdating naman sa antibiotics, i prefer to use human preparation drugs kasi mas sigurado ang quality at mas effective kumpara sa kung ano pa man???
Ang importante ay naka -adjust ang dosage sa kanilang body weight at edad. Ito ay dapat kinokonsulta ng mabuti sa isang dalubhasa para hindi kayo magkamali.
Ang tamang paggamit ng gamot para sa manok ay isa sa mga importanteng tinuturo ko sa Academy.

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Old July 20th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #21
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

claretking

Naka-post na ang pictures sa TJT cocking academy updates sa english forum. Nilagay ko rin sa sabong news.
Maraming salamat sa iyong suporta.
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Old July 20th, 2007, 09:27 AM   #22
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[quote=tjtcokngacademy]benedict
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[font=Century Gothic][size=3]Pagdating naman sa antibiotics, i prefer to use human preparation drugs kasi mas sigurado ang quality at mas effective kumpara sa kung ano pa man???

Doc, ask ko lang kung bakit 1 dose for 1 day lang bigay ng antibiotic (ceporex 250 mg) sa manok pag magbacterial flushing? Kasi baka may tendency na magkaroon ng resistance mga bacteria kasi 1 day lang administration at hindi a tleast 3days? Salamat po.
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Ang purpose ng bacterial flushing ay para malinisan ang kanilang sistema para maiwasan ang sakit.... kaya ito ay binibigay ng isang araw lamang (one dose) at hindi tatlong araw dahil lalo lamang magkakaroon ng "drug resistance" kung bibigyan mo ng 3 days dahil wala namang sakit. Ang purpose mo lamang ay mag-flushing.
Basahin mo pa ng mabuti ang nakalagay sa thread na entitled "antibacterial flushing during the keep" sa english discussion ng forum na ito, para makadagdag sa pang-unawa mo.

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SALAMAT MGA COCKMATES SA MGA INFO
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Old July 20th, 2007, 04:58 PM   #26
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nice info, tghanxs doc....
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maraming salamat doc marami kami natutunan sau
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Re: Human Drugs To Game Fowl

Sana ay magkaroon kayo ng pagkakataon na maka-attend sa TJT Cocking Academy dahil mas marami kayong matutunan doon dahil tatlong araw tayong magkaka-samasama at tiyak na maitatanong na ninyo ang lahat ng gusto ninyong malaman.
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Sana ay magkaroon kayo ng pagkakataon na maka-attend sa TJT Cocking Academy dahil mas marami kayong matutunan doon dahil tatlong araw tayong magkaka-samasama at tiyak na maitatanong na ninyo ang lahat ng gusto ninyong malaman.
saan ba to e held, doc? wala ba kayang books doc regarding sa pagmamanok para sa bagohan?
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