[edong peña]

doc, can i asked what are the pros and cons of feeding boiled grains on your daily ration?

thanks in advance!

[edmerc]

nice!

[reymarie5]

up

[greycast]

Pros...easily digested
cons...lost nutreints

[tatodupaya]

Originally Posted by greycast

Pros...easily digested
cons...lost nutreints

In a nutshell, ika nga

[ncyabut]

di naman kailangang lutong-luto. just try boiling it for about 8-10 minutes. yung tamang-tama lang na di masyadong malabsa yung mais. magandang pang point feed sa manok. di mabilis matuyo ang manok especially during the critical hours leading up to the fight. during the pointing period or the last three meals before the fight, wala na naman talaga masyadong nutrients ang pagkainng manok since yung point feed nila is basically high on carbohydrates.

[bunguton]

Originally Posted by greycast

Pros...easily digested
cons...lost nutreints

youre right sir....

[danludvic]

Originally Posted by ncyabut

di naman kailangang lutong-luto. just try boiling it for about 8-10 minutes. yung tamang-tama lang na di masyadong malabsa yung mais. magandang pang point feed sa manok. di mabilis matuyo ang manok especially during the critical hours leading up to the fight. during the pointing period or the last three meals before the fight, wala na naman talaga masyadong nutrients ang pagkainng manok since yung point feed nila is basically high on carbohydrates.

sir, ok lang ba kung ibabad ang cracked corns & oat groats sa tubig like 4-8 hrs before feeding, instead of boiling?

[ncyabut]

basta ako during the days leading up to the fight, nakababad yung point feed ko para consistent kase wet feeding ako. pero during summer days. yung last three feedings ko before the fight medyo niluluto ko yung point feed para mas kumarga ng moisture. otherwise nakababad lang din ito.

[edong peña]

Originally Posted by greycast

Pros...easily digested
cons...lost nutreints

LOST NUTRIENTS...

be espicific...

[ncyabut]

you can correlate it to cooking vegetables. if you cook it too long, the nutrients of the vegetables decrease. in tagalog, nawawala sustansya ng mga gulay pag masyado mo itong niluluto. ganun din sa grains.

[tjtcokngacademy]

Grains are actually seeds…..There are some grains that lose their nutrients when they are boiled and there are some that have no nutritive value at all when given in their raw form. Some grains once soaked, start to germinate and I would say that they are best given in this form. Legumes like mongo, tafilan, green peas and soybeans must be heated or cooked, to activate their crude protein.
In my opinion, a good "21 Day Keep" feed formulation must be consistent from the start...... no changes in the proportion. Hence, it will be easier for you to monitor if they are wet, dry, off or on point….Of course, experience would teach you the right thing.

This is a very nice thread and i hope others would share more.

[eastcoast]

Doctor,
Last Sunday I used this method as my pointing feed. I boiled the finely cracked corn (washed first b4 boiling) by putting the corn in boiiling water and switching off the fire and letting it cool by itself. I boiled it at 8.00pm and use it to feed my cock at 6.30am the next morning. I fought the cock at approximtely 3.15 pm the same day. To the boiled corn, I add brown rice plus honey and raisins. It seem to work as my cock was very energetic and strong in his fight.
I believe that boiling the corn does not do any harm if the feed is intended for pointing. In fact the corn tend to become very starchy after boiling which i think is a good thing.The only problem is that the boiled corn tend to increase four times its volume as it absorbed the water used to boil it. More like when we boiled rice. See how it increase in volume when the rice is cooked? So when i feed my cock using this mix, it works perfectly for me as I can give him slightly more feed for his last meal in the morning and not worrying that the feed might not come out of his system in time as it is easily digested.
IMHO<
eastcoast

[MaxFly]

Fresh young corn is the best.....chopchopchop and mix...whewww, they are the best.

[rodman2]

Nice Thread! Good Info!

[expressdelivery]

buy one alaska evaporated milk
yung halos isang dangkal ang taas
ilagay mo sa kaldero
add 2 cans ng water
yung can ng evaporated milk ang sukatan mo
so nasa 2:1 ratio yan
2 parts water and 1 part milk
dyan mo ngayon ipakulo ang grains mo
gamit ng ilang americans yang method na yan

pag kumulo at lumamig
ilagay mo sa ref
ilabas mo lang yung ipapakain mo

[edong peña]

thanks doc ted!

another question. by broiling the grains, does it eliminate the aflatoxins?

[BullRider]

Originally Posted by expressdelivery

buy one alaska evaporated milk
yung halos isang dangkal ang taas
ilagay mo sa kaldero
add 2 cans ng water
yung can ng evaporated milk ang sukatan mo
so nasa 2:1 ratio yan
2 parts water and 1 part milk
dyan mo ngayon ipakulo ang grains mo
gamit ng ilang americans yang method na yan

pag kumulo at lumamig
ilagay mo sa ref
ilabas mo lang yung ipapakain mo

pre.. lagay mo sa container na may takip
para maintain ang moisture
at seguro higit na mabuti
kung merong asukal ...
love yahhhhhhhh... kumusta ka diyan?

BullRider

[tjtcokngacademy]

The mere fact that their grains is positive for aflatoxin... indicates that, it is no longer safe for your chickens... even if you boil it!

[extremes_20s]

doc, how could u know if the grains has aflatoxin?

thanks.

[tjtcokngacademy]

Quote from extremes_20s:
"doc, how could u know if the grains has aflatoxin?

thanks."

OBSERVING THE GRAINS THROUGH YOUR NAKED EYE:

When it comes to whole corn, the presence of a green or black spots around the germ part of the corn, indicates it is positive for aflatoxin.
When it comes to wheat (trigo) and jockey oats, AFLA is positive if you observed a grayish dust particles in the ridges of the grain.
Of course, having it analyzed in a laboratory would still be the best.

[edong peña]

again, thanks doc!

[extremes_20s]

thanks for the response doc.... mabuhay po kayo!

[notienearol]

The nutrients wont be lost or drain away if you follow this simple tips,we in the food industry especially those in the fine dining world used this process;
Bring to a boil the water to be used then place the grains in a kitchen strainer for a few seconds dip it in the boiling water and assuming that it is already cooked,after dipping it wash the grains with running water to prevent internal cooking so that the grains still looks fresh.

[unico]

Originally Posted by tjtcokngacademy

The mere fact that their grains is positive for aflatoxin... indicates that, it is no longer safe for your chickens... even if you boil it!

Agree Doc, 100% true, mycotoxins (mold toxins of w/c aspergullus flavus molds produces aflatoxin) are neither heat nor chemical "labile"..meaning they cannot be destabilized by heat or any chemical..once the myctoxins (parang pinaka dumi/ipot ito nang molds) are deposited onto the grains kapit tuko na yan.

The best approach is to avoid having mold establish on the grains..of course that's beyong the control of the buying public. There are toxin binders available in the market but are more prectical at the feedmillers level.

[edong peña]

wow! more info please....

[sunblade68]

Doc. Ted. Very Informative Im Still Using Your 21 Days Condition . Ang Importante Panalo Ka Sa Laban At Hindi Ka Lugi Sa Laban Ng Manok Mo. Kung Saan Ka Hiyang Doon Ka, Kung Saan Ka Maraming Panalo Steak Kana Doon Sa Conditiong Methods Mo. At Maging Sikat Ka Pa ..... Thanks Doc.

[TAURUS 67]

Doc Ted or anybody here had tried mixing dates to their pointing feed?

I think this middle east food will make wonders to our warriors.

[sunblade68]

Taurus, Musta Bro, Gamit Ko Rin Yang Dates Kapag Nag Vacation Ako Ng Pinas Ginagamit Ko Sa Last 3 Dates+brown Rice+ Boiled Eggs+small Amount Of Corn+pellets, Then 3/4 Sa Last Feed Sa Morning. Kung Maraming Kang Stocks Mas Maganda Kung 1 To 21 Day Isali Mo Ang Dates Sa Keeping To (carboloading )+pointing Bro Try Mo Lang Ang Lakas Ng Palo Ng Manok Lalo Na Kung My Halong Hatch Ang Manok.

[advirada]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "Dates"?