i got several birds for breeding that were said to be lemons. i have 2 hens on the Duke Hulsey blinker line and a lemon 84 hen. i also have a blinker broodcock that won 4 times already in the derbies and a 3 time winner 84.

i saw the fights of these birds and they were spectacular. they had good cutting, i say that because the opponent was heavily damaged at the first buckle. they won with a mininum of wounds.

i'd like to know how these lines started out and how the fight and what crosses would work best? i'm trying them out with green-legged McLeans, Oscar Aikins butchers, is that a good cross?

Hi Blink 84, can you please tell me more about that Blinker line?

that is what i'm asking around for also.

all i know is that the blinker is from duke hulsey and the granddaddy of the line is blind in 1 eye hence the blinker name.

if you have any info please let me know.

Hi Blink84, reason why I ask you that question is for me to get info on when, where and from whom did you acquire this line. My friend in the Philippines (Negros) has kept this particular line pretty intact. He has won big derbies and very very good percentage with them. So I thought I could compare notes to you. People are saying both Bob Cuenca and Tony Trebol maintained a good lineage of this kind (winning anywhere and everywhere against imported ones). It's kind hard to maintain a crossline, which some breeder faired exceptionally well especially with this Lemon. Never own one myself but I've ask a lot questions both from local and American breeders in the Phil. and here.
I was really curious coz there's not a lot of bloodlines that survived several years of existence yet maintained their percentage plus this is a crossedline.

Raphael

the lemons i got from my friend are great.
before i got some for breeding i treated his birds when he fights. in 30 fights i've been we only lost 2 in various cockpits in metro manila. he has crossed them with some albany blood. these birds (crossed) won all of their first fights. they are heady fighters. the yellow-legged are fast but cool fighters, they are quick to the draw and if they have the advantage they will not let the opponent get a chance to fight back. the green-legged are ring generals. really careful fighters but can hit like a hatch. they weave and they are off-timed fighters, perfect for those rushers 'coz they make the rushers look stupid.

straight & true
blink84

Hi Blink84, How's Palawan? Heard it's one of the last frontier in the Phil. Hey, you're absolutely right with the lemon's fighting style. You described it the way my breeder in Bacolod does. Every time I send him a rooster from here (US), he spar them with his lemon. Always the Lemon beat the crap out of the imported (coz of the style) but after several pittings and getting acclimatized the imported ones adapt to their fighting style and kick their butt with power. Still my breeder prefers them (lemon) and is crossing his multiwinners (international derbies) to some of my US stocks.

HI. THANKS FOR YOUR INFO REGARDING LEMON'S
KINDLY TELL ME THE HISTORY OF YOUR BREEDS AND HOW YOU SELECT WHAT BLOODLINES TO CROSS WITH? WHAT ARE YOUR BASIC CRITERIA IN PROPAGATING THAT BREED OR STRAIN? I'M NEW IN THIS SPORT AND GOT PLENTY OF QUESTION...
THANKS AGAIN......SABONG PA RIN.......

Originally posted by dennis paul 70:
HI. THANKS FOR YOUR INFO REGARDING LEMON'S
KINDLY TELL ME THE HISTORY OF YOUR BREEDS AND HOW YOU SELECT WHAT BLOODLINES TO CROSS WITH? WHAT ARE YOUR BASIC CRITERIA IN PROPAGATING THAT BREED OR STRAIN? I'M NEW IN THIS SPORT AND GOT PLENTY OF QUESTION...
THANKS AGAIN......SABONG PA RIN.......

Dennis Paul 70 you gotta be where the action is. If you're just starting and you're in UK it's kind of rough.
People are telling me Lemons are crosses of Clarets, Roundhead, Butchers and a little bit of Hatch. Who knows? But I do believe they have the Claret bloodline in them. Claret is not a pure bloodline. But then again there are no existing pure line anymore, just a good maintained family.
The Clarets I have fights exactly like the Lemons but prettier. They'll wait for you and "walang sayang na palo". Unlike the Roundheads which are just offbeat and keeps breaking high. Clarets don't waste a kick, when they lick they hit (may rhyme ano).
Good Clarets are hard to find, so good luck on that. Mine are tight feathered, good stations and real pretty. Dan Gray's Claret/Roundhead crosses back in the days made him and "collector" really famous.
Meron akong pinauwing 7/8 Roundhead 1/8 Claret na stag plus pure Roundhead and pure Claret na pullets Dan Gary line lahat.
I will try them, my friend here won a lot with them, even fighting them with short knives in Mexico. You don't fight these crosses in that kind of blade. Some loco due from Mex does that and keeps asking for more. This loco dude likes dark color/legged, hard/heavy shuffling roosters. Pure rapid fire, thats how shortknife is. Sweaters, Hatches, Albanys are the bloodlines of preference here. Rarely you'll see a sabong that will end in 2 pittings, sa atin (longKnife) 1 buckle lang may patay na. So we thought he's nuts to used (Claret/Roundhead) smart birds but he proved us wrong. I guess they are really cutting in Guadalajara. Going back to my Claret I still prefer them over my friends Dan Gray. But I told my breeder to breed them (Dan G.) too we will find out next stag season who's better and nicer. I have made friends with well known (legendary) and unknown breeders here, during my freetime I stay with them.
If I go to a breeder I make sure that he has only (1) major winning bloodline and has kept it for generations. There's a lot of them in the mountains of Tennessee, Kentucky etc..., you don't buy their roosters with money. You'll have to win their friendship, and if you're succesful you'll be rewarded.

To: Blink84 & Raphael,

May I ask if anyone has tried crossing Lemons with Roundhead? What's your idea about the cross result?
Tks for any info.

Pete

To Raphael,
Thanks for your advice and i'll just keep on reading all the right stuff here....anyway I
hope to breed back home when the right time arrives. wala na kasi akong contact sa sabong mula noon lumuwas ako.
Dennis

[quote]Originally posted by PETE-M:
[b]To: Blink84 & Raphael,

May I ask if anyone has tried crossing Lemons with Roundhead? What's your idea about the cross result?
Tks for any info.

Hi Pete, my partner/breeder in Negros has this particular crossing. These are his only bloodline, meron heavy sa Lemon and then heavy sa Roundhead. He prefers the latter, this particular crossing has won several derbies and were used by big UCAP and Araneta boys. As long as their healthy, I think you can't go wrong with these roosters.

Dennis

i prefer birds that are heavy on the lemon side. i cross them with mcleans or butchers.

i use the butcher for them to mature earlier, 'coz my lemons fight really good at 18 mos. but if i cross them even up to 1/4 of outside blood i can fight them earlier, as early as 12 mos.

what i know from the origin of the lemons are claret, whitehackle and butchers.

i just acquired 5 pullets from my friend and they are really good looking. i'm breeding them this coming season.

i'm hesitant to use roundhead blood on my lemons just yet 'coz i'm looking for really good RH blood. but i lean more to hatch crosses like mclean, blueface and sweaters.

palawan is great but these past few weeks have been really hard 'coz it rains so much.

i use an Oscar Aikins butcher from a breeder from Ilo-ilo.

straight & true

blink84

This is what I have been told of the Lemon 84's.
The Original Lemons were set as a strain by the great Duke Hulsey. This original cross consisted of Hatch,Butcher,and Claret. During the late sixties and early seventies, the Great Filipino Master breeder, Paeng Araneta bred his own line of the lemons from broodstock he had purchased from Duke Hulsey while visiting him at his farm in Louisiana.
While chosing Broodfowl, Paeng came across a Pure peacombed Lemon cock, which was unusual as the Lemons came mostly straight combed due to the Claret and Butcher influences. He purchased this cock, and several full sisters to him, as well as far related hens to that cock. He then began to breed the Lemons towards the peacombed side. It was told to me that in 1972, Paeng won 8 straight fights in fast company, beating out the likes of Billy Ruble, Harold Brown, Smokey Wallace, and yes, even Duke Hulsey himself. It was the first time that local bred cocks were able to compete at such a high level of competition, and DOMINATE.
They are said to be named after the original peacombed cock, who wore legband # 84.
I have heard that they can be crossed well with good aggressive Hatch.
I hope this helps!
YIS
Edwin

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...more on LEMONS....

[Blackwing]

Has anyone of you heard about the pale face lemon ? Well it had a spectacular record before . They are very defensive and they possess effective counter-punching style. They break just enough unlike the 84s, but right on the target. However, it seems nobody would like to breed it in Negros because this particular lemon looked unhealthy - pale face nga e.
Now it is already extinct !

bw

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[elson55]

bai ligas,
you're digging up the archives hah... it's good reading. tks for the bump.

[windjammer2]

Edwin, with due respect, when the 84 cock came in 1967, no full sisters or related hen or hens came with it. :hippie: