[HAS]

Could you pls. share difference between the green legged lemons and the yellow legged ones in terms of its fighting style.Is there any difference?For those who have this breed,pls. share your experiences fighting these green legged lemons.

[victor]

Hi,
The green legged Lemons they call Lemon 84. I think Paeng Araneta brought it first here in the P.i. They are suppose to be good for crossing. They're sure cutters with decent power. I like the Yellow Legged ones that Bob Cuenca and the Lemon Gwapo's of Mayor Aguirre rather than the Green Legged Lemon 84's.
Victor

I have both green ang yellow legged Lemons. They fight smart and have excellent cutting ability. Both have very similar styles.

[Maning]

I don't have that green legged lemons at the present, but i do have the YL lemons ( Guapo line) of ex- mayor Juancho Aguirre of La Carlota City, Negros Occidental, and some original Duke Hulsey line that came from Freddie Yulo in the mid 70's. Although their style is somewhat different, both lines came from the master breeder Duke Hulsey. These hulsey's are smart, and game their cutting ability is excellent, their deficiency ,when bred straight, are their height, as they are short. In the 70's i got some GL hulsey from Mr. Yulo, but according to him, they have infusement of mclean hatch. At this time i doubt Mr. Yulo still has Duke Hulsey blood but when we go back in the 60's to the 70's ,when Mr. Hulsey was busy campaigning in the philippines, i guess Mr. Yulo was one of guys in P.I. that carries this blood more than anybody because of his long acquantancies with the Araneta's that sponsor's Duke in P.I....



-maning-

I do have both, but i prefer the yellow one, smart , breaks well and really cut well. The offsprings of my 2xwinner lemon yl which i happen to cross with a 1 minute lemon dl hen produced 3 leg colors 3 green legs , 2 yellow legs and 1 pearl leg stags which i supposed is the throwback.Nevertheless whether it is yellow or green legs or even pearl legs as long as it wins for you! thats the bottom line.

[malalim]

Both types of Lemons are well worth the hard earned peso that you will use to acquire this breed.


Batangas Blades,

Where from Batangas are you from? I'm from the Batangas City itself.

Hope to have Chicken talk with you one of these days.

Malalim,
it's nice to hear from a fellow Btagueno, i'm from Bauan by the way,a smallbackyard breeder/hobbiest of gamefowls.We could arrange a chicken talk, just name the date and place.I will tag along a friend who's also a member of sabong.net and from batangas city as well.

B.Blades

[Blackwing]

With my experience in breeding lemons for quite a number of years and with my friendship with known Negros breeders, I have learned that the straight comb lemon or the Batchoy lemon throws green leg. More green legged lemons tend to appear as you try to breed them on the pure side. Well for me the green legged lemons are more accurate in cutting than the yellow legged ones. They are not fancy and can finish the job faster than the yellow legged ones.

Meanwhile, the equally famous Lemon 84 NEVER throws green leg. It is a misconception that all lemons, including Lemon 84, could throw green leg.

BW

[BattleGear]

Hmmm, that is strange BW. The lemon 84 hen I got as a gift from a friend in Cebu is green legged and spurred. I believe this is an authentic lemon 84 hen.

-BG

I agree with BG, lemon84 throws green leg fowls as per my experience, even the authentic ones throws green leg fowls.my father in-law breed this lemon 84 and he has both yellow and green ones.

[Blackwing]

BG,

Pre if your lemon 84 has some green legs in it , chances are it is not authentic. I guarantee you. I have keen interest with the Hulseys. I have more or less made some research with these fowls before I started breeding them. I have asked a lot of Hulsey breeders in Negros - the late George Lacson, Nonoy Cuaycong, Junior Cuaycong , Freddie Yulo, and Edwin Deles. I tell you not all Hulsey breeders nowadays know the authentic Hulsey lemons. Some would even say the lemon 84's are straight combs (in one of the debate with Matina during the 2002 Araw ng Dabaw Derby). I would not mention names pero nakakahiya talaga since this particular breeder in Negros sells his lemons at an exorbitant price.

BW

[peatree]

I have a non authentic lemon broodcock, straight comb, green legged, very nervous, manfighter, very smart fighter. I had him for 4 years now. One thing I noticed with this lemon and its offsprings... It can easily lost its prop-toe nails left and right compared to other bloodlines!

Lemons come straight and pea combed. Green and yellow legged. Certain varieties of Lemons show more dominant characteristics than others. A friend of mine with a highly inbred line, has thrown white legs. To check on the authenticity of your Lemons, try excerting some effort in backtracking their lineage. :sprcool:

there was this article in the tahor book written by the man himself who created the lemon 84 line or family, paeng araneta himself. in that article, he narrated how he came up with this line. he got a yellow leg peacomb cock with wingband number 84 from duke himself, bred him over some hulsey hens, bred the best daughters back to the daddy, then mated the offsprings brother-sister, where green legged chickens came out. he then mated the best green legged pullets back to the original lemon 84 cock. he further added that he felt the green legged ones were better. so there. green legged lemon 84s do exist. and one more advice i got from paeng himself - for battlefowl, we only need at least a quarter of this blood. that's coming from the breeding guru himself.

[Blackwing]

tsampoy,

I am not familiar with that. What I know about are the Batchoy lemon, Lemon 84, and the Doc Feria Left In lemon. I also once heard about the pale face lemons.

BW

I've got 4 strains of Lemons the 84's, gwapo, batchoy and Kulubot( from francis de borja)only the 84 gives green legged ofspring and they have equal/same qualities with the yellow leg. during breeding I use both the green legs and yellow legs.
:sprcool:

[balian]

lemon? when it is still young you can get this green color but as they go older they become yellow... the yellow lemon is not good for lemonade because it is overripe already... better to have the green one for lemon juice...:lol: joke lang po!!!

[Blackwing]

Before I posted this I called up two of my sources/friends, Edwin Deles and Junior Cuaycong, just to verify again if what they told me was correct. AS you know these two gentlemen were among the proteges of Duke Hulsey in Negros. Among others are Nonoy Jalandoni, Alex Montelibano, Tony Trebol, George Lacson, Junior Cuaycong, Freddie Yulo, NonoyCuaycong, Batchoy Alunan, Paeng Araneta, Edwin Deles and others. These are what Edwin and Junior told me :

Paeng Araneta brought the Lemon 84 in Negros during the early 70's. But it was Tony Trebol who first bred it. During that time nobody would like to breed the original Lemon 84 since it was "pangit" - pahing ang buntot, malaki ang ulo at tuwad pa. Among the Hulsey broodcocks the Lemon 84 was the "pinakapangit." Anyway, it so happen that Tony was looking for any broodcock he wanted to use. He asked Junior to lend him one but the latter was using all his broodcocks. The Lemon 84 was the only one availlable at Junior's place that time, so Tony got it.

Tony was succesful breeding the Lemon 84. When Paeng knew it he asked Tony to return the broodcock to him. But Paeng got hooked with his girlfriend Peachee Prieto, sister of Mauro Prieto. Peachee went to the states that time. Paeng went to the states also to follow his girlfriend. But before that, Paeng asked 28 stags from Tony. Paeng sold these for Php 500 each . This was Paeng's "baon." He went to the states for so long that nobody would provide for his chickens and the salary of his farm helpers. It was Batchoy Alunan who shouldered all the expenses at Paeng's farm. In return Batchoy got all the broodfowls of Paeng. Batchoy got three 7/8 lemon 84 stags and all inbred pullets. When Paeng came back from the states Batchoy never gave back Paeng's broodfowls. They both quarreled. They never became friends again until Batchoy's death.

It was Tony's turn to collect Paeng of his debt (28 stags). But Paeng did not give Tony any hint of payment. Tony borrowed an imported kelso broodcock, which Paeng got from Duke. When Paeng asked Tony to return it, Tony told Paeng the kelso broodcock died. But it was not true. Tony thought it was the payment for the 28 stags Paeng got from him.

The truth is: "matagal ng walang lemon si Paeng" Edwin told me. His last breeding of the Hulseys was in Baguio. But all his fowls were stolen even his dobermans were killed by the thieves.

Hence, it was Tony Trebol and Batchoy Alunan who bred the famous Lemon 84 extensively. And the Lemon 84 NEVER throws a green leg. But the Batchoy Lemon throws green leg!

[Kidd Sentencia]

...at babae pala ang dahilan ng lahat! Ikaw talaga maria, nuong unang araw pa...ang sarap mong mahalin, hehehe.

Nice story, BW...but, I'm sure there will be more versions out there. Personally, what is the big difference if there is green, yellow, or purple leg lemon? I like my lemon with tequila...hehehe.

cheers!

Kidd

[Roadman]

Remember that the Lemon84 line came from Duke Hulsey's battle cross, Hatch-Butcher-Claret. So, it is just normal to have green legs come out even though you use both yellow legged stocks because it is in their ancestral bloodline.

Roadman

[Maning]

Blackwing,

I admire your knowledge about this bloodline. You ought to be called a true historian of this breed. Your expose about one of the most sought after breed will help enlighten fanatics (that includes me). I think from now on, people who breed and wants to acquire one, should be more vigilant in doing so...

Thank you.

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[Maning]

Bachoy Alunan died together with some of his family last 1980 in one of the worst maritime disasters in the Philippines. It was a collision of the passenger ship Don Juan ( bound for Bacolod City from Manila)of negros navigation and a tanker ship; few people survive in this tragedy.


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[Purong P'Noy]

Very informative! wala niyan sa libro. Thanks buddies.

[Blackwing]

Maning, you are welcome.

[jadurson]

Guys

for the history of lemon "84" try this site

http://www.geocities.com/paeng_lemon84/history.html

hope this could help clearing clouds

cheers... God Bless

Jadurson

[KillerPotatO]

Mr. BW

If thats the true story, & he has no more lemon84 fowls, how would you now assess the lemon84's that he has in his farm which most sabungeros are craving for.

Howcome he is more known with that lineage than Tony and Batchoy.

Thanks.

KP

Blackwing,

thats a very interesting post
before your post I strongly believe that the true Lemon84 are the green legged ones.

so you mean that what mr.araneta has now were not the pure ones since mr.araneta lemon84 has the green leg blood on it? coz when we talk about the famed lemon84 its mr. paeng araneta.i'm confused, please shed more light on it, coz its very intriguing and pardon me,coz it can put the man down for this story. just my opinion.

bw,
this might sound petty to some but i think we have to correct that sweeping statement of yours regarding the 84's never ever throwing green legged ones. between edwin deles and junior cuaycong's account and paeng araneta's own account in the tahor book, it is unfair to junk what paeng has written. it's like telling him he is lying. but he's not - because many people have used those green legs direct from paeng. in the same mold of a shaolin master and his disciple, francis was a disciple too in his dealings with paeng. he will share stories about those green legged lemon 84's that he is still breeding up to now. or call boy diaz who personally fought those green legged roosters together with biboy enriquez in the araneta and teresa circuits in the 70's and 80's. or peter uy who has carried on those green legged 84's, buying the breeding pen just before paeng left for the states. it's quite a drag when you insist on something that everyone mentioned above, knows is not true. may this be a friendly exchange of information and hope it will be taken constructively. god knows how touchy people seem to get on this webpage nowadays at the slightest contradiction from a fellow brother in the sport. (i hope you're not like that ha, bw? hehe). and i hope that you will also consider the above arguments in my hope that you will see the other side of the coin. again, in conclusion, green legged 84's do exist.

[pogipoint]

I was born 1964, I didn't know that the breed is as old as me. I am basically a lemon fans. through the years, I acquired cock with drop of lemon blood or pure lemon as alledged by the person to whom I bought my cock..Majority won....

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. PAENG ARANETA WHO UNSELFISHLY LET HIS FAMOUS LEMON 84 FLOURISH. THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR BREED BECAUSE NOW....THE SMALL BOYS CAN GET EVEN WITH THE BIG BOYS (EVEN IMPORTED)......

I HOPE MEN LIKE YOU FLOURISH.......

Honestly, up to now, I have not have a chance to own a pure lemon 84 for breeding....Konting saving and I believe I can buy from Mr. Francis L

salamat