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Old November 2nd, 2009, 03:40 PM   #1
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Doc, baka naman po pwede nyo ako matulungan sa problema ko sa aking munting manukan, meron po ako mga sisiw na 40 pcs na tandang na ang edad ay 2 months na, kaya nagpalit ako ng pagkain from chickbooster to starter ng gmp, wala naman po sipon o ano mang sintomas ako makita, healty naman sila lahat at masigla, kinabukasan nakita ko 7 pcs patay na at yong iba, nakababa ang pakpak, at ng hapon 15 pcs ang patay, nanlulumo ako kaya inalis ko na ang pagkain at bumili na lng ako ulit ng dati nila pagkain, ano po ba dahilan nito baka naman matulungan nyo ako.... salamat po sa lahat ng tutulong.... god bless po
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 04:32 PM   #2
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Doc, baka naman po pwede nyo ako matulungan sa problema ko sa aking munting manukan, meron po ako mga sisiw na 40 pcs na tandang na ang edad ay 2 months na, kaya nagpalit ako ng pagkain from chickbooster to starter ng gmp, wala naman po sipon o ano mang sintomas ako makita, healty naman sila lahat at masigla, kinabukasan nakita ko 7 pcs patay na at yong iba, nakababa ang pakpak, at ng hapon 15 pcs ang patay, nanlulumo ako kaya inalis ko na ang pagkain at bumili na lng ako ulit ng dati nila pagkain, ano po ba dahilan nito baka naman matulungan nyo ako.... salamat po sa lahat ng tutulong.... god bless po

Sir greatwall, nakababa ba ang pakpak at parang nakataas din ang balahibo nila? Ganito rin kasi ang problema ko noon. Baka acute coccidosis yan. Ewan ko lang kung nasa market pa ang mga ito na advice dati ni Idol Patrick. Subukan mo lang kung meron pa, Cosumix+ at Dynamutylin powder. Medyo may kamahalan nga lang ang Dynamutylin. Paghaluin mo lang ito sa inumin nila. Di ko na kabisado ang timpla pero nasa sachet naman ito. Obserbahan mo lang at within 24 hours eh may malaking pagbabago. Tingnan mo lang muna kung medyo reddish o dark brown ang mga dumi nila at palaging basa. Mag-disinfect ka na rin sa mga kulungan mo lalo na ngayon at may ulan pa rin......
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 07:28 PM   #3
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Sir greatwall, nakababa ba ang pakpak at parang nakataas din ang balahibo nila? Ganito rin kasi ang problema ko noon. Baka acute coccidosis yan. Ewan ko lang kung nasa market pa ang mga ito na advice dati ni Idol Patrick. Subukan mo lang kung meron pa, Cosumix+ at Dynamutylin powder. Medyo may kamahalan nga lang ang Dynamutylin. Paghaluin mo lang ito sa inumin nila. Di ko na kabisado ang timpla pero nasa sachet naman ito. Obserbahan mo lang at within 24 hours eh may malaking pagbabago. Tingnan mo lang muna kung medyo reddish o dark brown ang mga dumi nila at palaging basa. Mag-disinfect ka na rin sa mga kulungan mo lalo na ngayon at may ulan pa rin......

Bricks, salamat sa response mo, tumawag ako sa katiwala ko para ibili ako nito ngayon sa lipa, and2 kc ako sa ortigas ngayon, sana maging maayos na sila.. salamat po ulit....

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 08:16 PM   #4
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Bricks, salamat sa response mo, tumawag ako sa katiwala ko para ibili ako nito ngayon sa lipa, and2 kc ako sa ortigas ngayon, sana maging maayos na sila.. salamat po ulit....

Walang anuman cockmate. Sana nga gumaling na ang mga sisiw mo. Ito rin ang ginagamit ko kaso kung minsan wala sa amin sa La Union kaya sa Manila pa ako umo-order. Maidagdag ko pala, tingnan mo na palaging malinis kainan nila kasi kung minsan ang natutuka nila pag sila ay gutom ay yung mga natuyo nilang dumi at ito ang pinagmumulan ng coccidiosis.....
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 12:17 AM   #5
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Walang anuman cockmate. Sana nga gumaling na ang mga sisiw mo. Ito rin ang ginagamit ko kaso kung minsan wala sa amin sa La Union kaya sa Manila pa ako umo-order. Maidagdag ko pala, tingnan mo na palaging malinis kainan nila kasi kung minsan ang natutuka nila pag sila ay gutom ay yung mga natuyo nilang dumi at ito ang pinagmumulan ng coccidiosis.....


SALAMAT PARE KO, AT LEAST NAKAKAPAG RESEARCH
TAYO KUNG ANO ANG NAGIGING DIPRENSYA NANG
SISIW,,IBA KASI ANG ''HEALTHY NA SISIW'' MULANG
MALIIT,,MALAKAS ANG KATAWAN AT MALAKAS PUMALO PAG MALAKI NA,,CGE PARE KO SALAMAT ULI,,
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 05:59 AM   #6
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greatwall94... katayin mo na lang lahat alam ko masakit sa
pakiramdam but ang sisiw pag nagkasakit ng ganyan eh di
na dapat na buhayin lalo na't ang competition natin ngayon
eh on a higher level na.
mahina na din ang resistensiya niyan... baka mas lumaki
pang-gastos mo pagdating ng panahon. IMHO opinion
lang to...
am sure idol patrick does not use chicks na nagkasakit na
sa kaniyang big time na laban.

it is not adviceable na gamutin mo pa ang mga sisiw na nagkasait
sometimes kasi business gets the better of the adviser.


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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:28 PM   #7
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greatwall94... katayin mo na lang lahat alam ko masakit sa
pakiramdam but ang sisiw pag nagkasakit ng ganyan eh di
na dapat na buhayin lalo na't ang competition natin ngayon
eh on a higher level na.
mahina na din ang resistensiya niyan... baka mas lumaki
pang-gastos mo pagdating ng panahon. IMHO opinion
lang to...
am sure idol patrick does not use chicks na nagkasakit na
sa kaniyang big time na laban.

it is not adviceable na gamutin mo pa ang mga sisiw na nagkasait
sometimes kasi business gets the better of the adviser.



ChinaRose, your sugggestion was accepted, but the only reason why i dont want them to kill, is that its the offspring of my precious warrior. I know lalaki yong gastos ko, pero andyan na yan eh, ill do the best that i could to save their lives, kng ginawa ko na lahat para sa kanila wala pa din, wala na ako pagsisisi, tama ka d2 : it is not adviceable na gamutin mo pa ang mga sisiw na nagkasakit
sometimes kasi business gets the better of the adviser.
i treat them kc na tulad sa mga anak ko.... thanks for the advice, very well appreciated.... happy cocking and god bless.

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:58 PM   #8
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In my honest opinion also as a backyard breeder (I'm not into business of peddling chickens coz' I only raise for my own use and hobby), it is very easy for others to say to cull immediately. As I understand, the reason why there are medicines for our fowls is not only for sickness preventive uses but also for corrective and curing purposes. Sa ganang akin, kung nagkasakit ang manok mo at pwede pa namang gamutin eh bakit mo naman ika-cull. Siguro, after so many efforts that have been done and the sickness just keeps coming back, then I believe there's always a heavy reason for you to cull. But if the situation is not yet in its worse stage and everything can still be taken cared of by giving the proper medicines, bakit mo ika-cull? In my experience, marami na rin akong mga nanalong mga manok who were also treated with medicines when they were still young, yet they also gave me a lot of W's in the pits. Sa mga nasa business ng gamefowls eh madali lang mag-cull sa kanila kasi sila rin ang malalagay sa alanganin kung magbebenta sila ng unhealthy chickens. But for us lowly breeders who can only afford that much to produce, the decicion to cull due to sickness is a heavy burden considering the time and effort that was exerted - most especially kung ikaw mismo ang nag-aalaga sa mga manok. You should try to save what can be saved and not outrightly decide to eradicate them all just because a certain sickness befell them. Just my opinion, folks......
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bricks: I do not mean to argue with you on this one just giving my opinion.
I have been into breeding since 1994 like you I do not sell... I breed for
my own pleasure and for my own use only.
culling is never an easy job but I do it anyway for the sake of my fowls
my farm and for my sake too.

" one of my worker told me to keep 6 nagkasakit na chicks na magaling
na daw. okey pero lagyan mo ng tanda (legband) ang mga yan dahil
gusto kong malaman kung anong mangyayari sa mga yan.
2 went on to die at 5 months old and 4 reached maturity and inilaban
ko pero talong lahat kulang sa resistensiya when it came to drag fight."

to each his own tayo ng opinion bahala ng mga nagbabasa kung anong
gusto nilang gawain sa mga manok nila na nagkasakit. opinion lang to.

PREVENTIVE MEDICINE... NOT CURING.
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ChinaRose, your sugggestion was accepted, but the only reason why i dont want them to kill, is that its the offspring of my precious warrior. I know lalaki yong gastos ko, pero andyan na yan eh, ill do the best that i could to save their lives, kng ginawa ko na lahat para sa kanila wala pa din, wala na ako pagsisisi, tama ka d2 : it is not adviceable na gamutin mo pa ang mga sisiw na nagkasakit
sometimes kasi business gets the better of the adviser.
i treat them kc na tulad sa mga anak ko.... thanks for the advice, very well appreciated.... happy cocking and god bless.

greatwall... they will never be as good as the parents dahil nagkasakit
nga sila... but then they are yours and your opinion is the only thing
that will matter in the long run... good luck sa breeding mo.
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bricks: I do not mean to argue with you on this one just giving my opinion.
I have been into breeding since 1994 like you I do not sell... I breed for
my own pleasure and for my own use only.
culling is never an easy job but I do it anyway for the sake of my fowls
my farm and for my sake too.

" one of my worker told me to keep 6 nagkasakit na chicks na magaling
na daw. okey pero lagyan mo ng tanda (legband) ang mga yan dahil
gusto kong malaman kung anong mangyayari sa mga yan.
2 went on to die at 5 months old and 4 reached maturity and inilaban
ko pero talong lahat kulang sa resistensiya when it came to drag fight."

to each his own tayo ng opinion bahala ng mga nagbabasa kung anong
gusto nilang gawain sa mga manok nila na nagkasakit. opinion lang to.

PREVENTIVE MEDICINE... NOT CURING.

Cockmate ChinaRose, I have no intentions either to argue with you or anyone. My only point of contention is that medicines are not only made for sickness prevention but more in their curing properties. Siguro naman, kung hindi malala ang naging sakit at kaya pa naman ng gamot eh bakit natin ika-cull. I have been a regular watcher of Sagupaan of Idol Patrick and he himself recommended medicines for chickens. Ang ginagawa ko pag napagaling ko ang manok ay pinakakawalan ko sa range. I let nature do the culling. When you free them in the range, they will develop their lost immunity from sickness. Pero kung nagkasakit at gumaling na pero derechong nakakulong pa rin eh ibang usapan na yan kasi wala na silang exercize. I have been using this system eversince and have always worked fine for me. Your statements cockmate are well appreciated and I respect your opinion as you respect mine. PEACE!!!!!! Happy cocking and breeding!!!!!!
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Doc, baka naman po pwede nyo ako matulungan sa problema ko sa aking munting manukan, meron po ako mga sisiw na 40 pcs na tandang na ang edad ay 2 months na, kaya nagpalit ako ng pagkain from chickbooster to starter ng gmp, wala naman po sipon o ano mang sintomas ako makita, healty naman sila lahat at masigla, kinabukasan nakita ko 7 pcs patay na at yong iba, nakababa ang pakpak, at ng hapon 15 pcs ang patay, nanlulumo ako kaya inalis ko na ang pagkain at bumili na lng ako ulit ng dati nila pagkain, ano po ba dahilan nito baka naman matulungan nyo ako.... salamat po sa lahat ng tutulong.... god bless po
sir,sa ibang thread ay may nabasa din akong ganyan. pagkatapos niya magship sa gmp feeds ay nabansot at naging sakitin mga manok niya.
70 pieces yata yun. baka di maganda ang gmp o nagkataon lang.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #13
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sir,sa ibang thread ay may nabasa din akong ganyan. pagkatapos niya magship sa gmp feeds ay nabansot at naging sakitin mga manok niya.
70 pieces yata yun. baka di maganda ang gmp o nagkataon lang.

Malamang contaminated yung batch ng feeds. May mas murang remedy for coccidiocis. Try Baxidil SE. And another tip is to use injectable dextrose w/ vitamins so the chicks can have higher chances of recovery kasi nanghihina na yan basta matamaan ng ganoong sakit at mahihina kumain and grabe ang weight loss within hours. The earlier the med and the dextrose are given, the better survival and recovery for the chicks.
And regarding sa future ng mga chicks depend yan how severe were they affected by the illness. Thus, the earlier maagapan, the chicks can still grow to be strong and healthy fowls.

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Malamang contaminated yung batch ng feeds. May mas murang remedy for coccidiocis. Try Baxidil SE. And another tip is to use injectable dextrose w/ vitamins so the chicks can have higher chances of recovery kasi nanghihina na yan basta matamaan ng ganoong sakit at mahihina kumain and grabe ang weight loss within hours. The earlier the med and the dextrose are given, the better survival and recovery for the chicks.
And regarding sa future ng mga chicks depend yan how severe were they affected by the illness. Thus, the earlier maagapan, the chicks can still grow to be strong and healthy fowls.

bricks,chinarose,nativelito23,sammy sia, thanks po sa info... happy cocking and more winnings po sa lahat....
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Old November 4th, 2009, 10:40 PM   #15
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makiki - up lng po...

nice topic....

more opinion plz................










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nabasa ko rin po un... regarding sa paggamit ng GMP feeds... pwede mo daw itawag sa kanila at iimbestigahan un... un nga lang medyo me katagalan daw po sir.....
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nabasa ko rin po un... regarding sa paggamit ng GMP feeds... pwede mo daw itawag sa kanila at iimbestigahan un... un nga lang medyo me katagalan daw po sir.....


baguhang_nokis, ngayon natatakot na ako bumili ng ganyang uri ng patuka sa manok, baka naman po may alam kng panu ko ito maparating sa kanila kahit number o email add man lng, para malaman nila kng anong perwisyo sa manukan ang ginagawa nila, na dapat sila ang maging sandigan natin sa magandang pamantayan sa pagmamanukan, isa na nga ang tamang pagkain.... salamat po sa response.. god bless po lagi.....
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Malamang contaminated yung batch ng feeds. May mas murang remedy for coccidiocis. Try Baxidil SE. And another tip is to use injectable dextrose w/ vitamins so the chicks can have higher chances of recovery kasi nanghihina na yan basta matamaan ng ganoong sakit at mahihina kumain and grabe ang weight loss within hours. The earlier the med and the dextrose are given, the better survival and recovery for the chicks.
And regarding sa future ng mga chicks depend yan how severe were they affected by the illness. Thus, the earlier maagapan, the chicks can still grow to be strong and healthy fowls.

ang gamit ko yung ambroxitil pag nakikita ko na mejo humihina na sila, para kasing amtyl yun na dinurog... try nio lng..
sana makatulong..
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pre try mo bumili ng products ko baka makatulong

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greatwall95, kumpleto ba vaccination ng mg sisiw mo?
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greatwall95, kumpleto ba vaccination ng mg sisiw mo?


sir jeffoy, foul fox vacine at avianfest lng po binabakuna ko sa mag sisiw ko wala na pong iba, kasi wala naman po ako na experience na iba pang problema maliban sa nangyari ito sa mag sisiw ko.....
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Pre,
Ano ba ipot nila? Ang bilis kasi ng nangyari sa iyo. Maraming pwede pero base sa story mo eh baka nga toxin yan. Aflatoxin specifically. Mas normal yan sa mais galing pero ang alam ko eh di naman kinabukasan pag pinakain mo ngayon kaya baka mas malala pa yan. Ang viral din eh medyo may panghihina muna na ipapakita ang manok mo pero mataas mortality gaya ng nakita mo sa manukan mo. Ang bacterial eh meron mabilis din pero mag rerespond sa tamang antibiotic. Dapat lang mas tutok at obserbahan lahat lahat kasama na ipot, pag hinga, dehydration, temperature ng manok at yun huli, kung mamamatay ay buksan pag bagong patay pa at tignan kung ano ang condition ng liver at lungs at bituka.

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